Uknown cap badge

DougD · 07-13-2003, 07:05 PM

This is being sold on our favorite internet dumping ground....described as Naval Border Guards officers cap badge; maybe, but I have never seen it in regs nor heard of it.

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DougD

Esteban_cool · 07-13-2003, 08:40 PM

That is a De-Mob Bezkozirka cap badge.
This bezkozerka was worn by a seaman of a guards crew stationed with the Northern Fleet. Although the cap itself is standard guards issue, it has been modified by its owner in anticipation of his demobilization from the Navy. This practice of conscript soldiers/sailors modifying their uniforms to celebrate the occasion of their return to civilian life was a common one, although never officially permitted. Conscripts would spend much of their free time in their final months of service incorporating elements of officer or locally fabricated insignia into their uniforms in order to look the grandest possible and impress friends and relatives back home. Officers usually tolerated these non-regulation additions as long as they were only worn during the conscripts' trip home. In this case, since the guards ribbon was already pretty impressive, all modifications were done to the wreathed red star cockade. First, an anchor insignia off a naval shoulder guard was cut in half and glued to the back of the standard red star cockade. The outer edge of the wreath was painted white for contrast and a black and white plastic backing was cut out and attached behind it.

Bone Collector · 08-07-2003, 12:42 PM

Speaking of unknown cap badges, anyone who knows what this is?

HuliganRS · 08-07-2003, 12:45 PM

That's the new state symbol of former Republic of Ukraine.

Gene · 08-09-2003, 03:54 PM

A friend has this AF wing in his collection. Is it WW2?

vikingraider1 · 08-09-2003, 07:26 PM

That is in fact from the 1950s and should not be confused with the cheap aluminium wings from the 70s & 80s. If you look closely it has a different pattern to the later version.

Bazanov · 08-12-2003, 10:30 AM

i have one that i dont know what it is:
Price? who worn this type of badge? Year?

vikingraider1 · 08-12-2003, 10:50 AM

that would have been worn by air force officers during the 1950s on the crown of their caps. Origianlly this would only have been pilot officers but later all air force officers were permitted to wear them. The means of atachement is by to thin wire prongs as opposed to the longe rectangluar prongs of the later cap wings.

vikingraider1 · 08-12-2003, 10:57 AM

apologies, I thought you meant the other cap badge.

:(

That cap badge looks like a militia cap badge from 1943 but I have never seen one with that type of wreath, usually they were worn by general officers with either an embridered generals type wreath of on their own. Perhaps someone else has a better idea...

otlichnik · 08-13-2003, 01:24 AM

I can't seem to find my cap badge book. Maybe I did not bring it to Bosnia with me.

But I do remember that that cap badge in question is not/not military. It comes from another Ministry. I can't remember now if it is early Customs Service or Forestry or what but it is a civilian Ministry like that I think.

Shawn

08-07-2003, 12:45 PM	#4
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	That's the new state symbol of former Republic of Ukraine. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

08-09-2003, 07:26 PM	#6
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	That is in fact from the 1950s and should not be confused with the cheap aluminium wings from the 70s & 80s. If you look closely it has a different pattern to the later version. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

08-12-2003, 10:50 AM	#8
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	that would have been worn by air force officers during the 1950s on the crown of their caps. Origianlly this would only have been pilot officers but later all air force officers were permitted to wear them. The means of atachement is by to thin wire prongs as opposed to the longe rectangluar prongs of the later cap wings. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

08-12-2003, 10:57 AM	#9
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	apologies, I thought you meant the other cap badge. :( That cap badge looks like a militia cap badge from 1943 but I have never seen one with that type of wreath, usually they were worn by general officers with either an embridered generals type wreath of on their own. Perhaps someone else has a better idea... __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

08-13-2003, 01:24 AM	#10
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	I can't seem to find my cap badge book. Maybe I did not bring it to Bosnia with me. But I do remember that that cap badge in question is not/not military. It comes from another Ministry. I can't remember now if it is early Customs Service or Forestry or what but it is a civilian Ministry like that I think. Shawn

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