Re-issued awards

Mozzabloke · 09-22-2004, 12:24 PM

I was just wondering what happened to all the orders that the State used to take back after the recipient died.

I know some found their way onto the black market.

but presumably many were reissued. If so was a new serial number engraved?

Thanks

Mark

Dave · 09-22-2004, 08:24 PM

Yes, if the award was re-issued, the old number was scratched out and a new number (for the missing award) with "D" was either engraved or stamped. The Marshal of the USSR stars were a good example of the reissuance of awards.

--Dave

Chuck In Oregon · 09-23-2004, 09:20 PM

I know of one instance in Georgia where a man was shot during The Terror and all of his family's property was confiscated, including his medals and other awards. He was rehabilitated during the Kruschev era and his family got back several of his medals. Not all of them, but some. They must have been somewhere in the KGB archives for what, 20+ years?

Chuck

Lapa · 09-24-2004, 10:27 AM

Chuck,

Most likely, the family received new awards that were engraved with the original serial number.

Marc

Chuck In Oregon · 09-24-2004, 10:50 AM

No. The property that was returned, which included some medals and other awards, was the property that was confiscated. I met the guy's daughter. She was there when he was arrested and their flat was stripped (they left one of everything -- one chair, one fork and so on), she was there when a few things were returned. It would surprise me if the KGB ever bothered to find duplicate awards or replacement property for their rehabilitated victims. It was more a case of just closing out the file. IMHO.

Chuck

Lapa · 09-24-2004, 06:41 PM

Chuck,

If that is the case, how do you explain the fact that, for instance, people awarded with the Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR (screwback) who were repressed, received upon rehabilitation a brand new Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR on suspension!
I seriously doubt that the OGPU/NKVD/KGB was running a tight inventory management system keeping track over a period of years or decades of every single item confiscated, without even knowing if their owner would ever come back at all.

Marc

09-22-2004, 12:24 PM	#1
Mozzabloke Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sheffield, England Age: 49 Posts: 104	Re-issued awards I was just wondering what happened to all the orders that the State used to take back after the recipient died. I know some found their way onto the black market. but presumably many were reissued. If so was a new serial number engraved? Thanks Mark

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09-22-2004, 08:24 PM	#2
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	Yes, if the award was re-issued, the old number was scratched out and a new number (for the missing award) with "D" was either engraved or stamped. The Marshal of the USSR stars were a good example of the reissuance of awards. --Dave

09-23-2004, 09:20 PM	#3
Chuck In Oregon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 209	I know of one instance in Georgia where a man was shot during The Terror and all of his family's property was confiscated, including his medals and other awards. He was rehabilitated during the Kruschev era and his family got back several of his medals. Not all of them, but some. They must have been somewhere in the KGB archives for what, 20+ years? Chuck

09-24-2004, 10:27 AM	#4
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Chuck, Most likely, the family received new awards that were engraved with the original serial number. Marc

09-24-2004, 10:50 AM	#5
Chuck In Oregon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 209	No. The property that was returned, which included some medals and other awards, was the property that was confiscated. I met the guy's daughter. She was there when he was arrested and their flat was stripped (they left one of everything -- one chair, one fork and so on), she was there when a few things were returned. It would surprise me if the KGB ever bothered to find duplicate awards or replacement property for their rehabilitated victims. It was more a case of just closing out the file. IMHO. Chuck

09-24-2004, 06:41 PM	#6
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Chuck, If that is the case, how do you explain the fact that, for instance, people awarded with the Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR (screwback) who were repressed, received upon rehabilitation a brand new Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR on suspension! I seriously doubt that the OGPU/NKVD/KGB was running a tight inventory management system keeping track over a period of years or decades of every single item confiscated, without even knowing if their owner would ever come back at all. Marc

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