Leather visor cap

Sierra Charriba · 11-07-2006, 03:32 PM

Hello
Anybody knows if this leather visor cap was used before and during WWII? And which was the army branch that used it?

Nack · 11-07-2006, 03:41 PM

Reportedly used by the NKVD. I'd imagine that this one is a fake--looks brand new and the cap badge does too.

DougD · 11-07-2006, 03:45 PM

Welcome to the forum.

The leather caps were used from 1917-late 1930's or so; they were not really a regulation item and although there might be isolted cases of use in WWII, the vast majority were in the 1920's and 1930's.

The one you have posted pics of is a modern copy out of Ukraine. They show up alot on the internet auctions.

Best,
DougD
Moderator- Cloth

Sierra Charriba · 11-08-2006, 02:26 AM

Thanks
Of course, is a replica made in Ukraine. I purchased it for reenacting purposes, not as a piece of collection. And really, this cap give an interesting look to user...

Dzerzhinsky · 11-08-2006, 02:43 PM

The word "fake" is used too much for my tastes. I would define it more as replica and leave it at that.

Nack · 11-08-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dzerzhinsky

The word "fake" is used too much for my tastes. I would define it more as replica and leave it at that.

Ok, well, good point. I guess it depends on the context. If the hat is advertised as a ww2 item, then its "fake." If it is sold as a copy, then i agree its a reproduction. Perhaps its just semantics.

Dzerzhinsky · 11-08-2006, 11:40 PM

Nack, I could not agree with you more. I guess I jumped the gun a bit due to the fact I have seen so many of these visors over the years and I could not imagine someone actually trying to sell a hat like this one as WWII. I have a 1967 Soviet made visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original. I also have 2 leather pieces from 1919-1920 and they really look nothing like these replicas offered on Ebay periodically. After you handle a genuine leather visor, you can always know the difference. Sorry if I talked too much.

Nack · 11-09-2006, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzerzhinsky

Nack, I could not agree with you more. I guess I jumped the gun a bit due to the fact I have seen so many of these visors over the years and I could not imagine someone actually trying to sell a hat like this one as WWII. I have a 1967 Soviet maid visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original. I also have 2 leather pieces from 1919-1920 and they really look nothing like these replicas offered on Ebay periodically. After you handle a genuine leather visor, you can always know the difference. Sorry if I talked too much.

All good points. Unfortunately, there are quite a few unscrupulous sellers trying to pass off repro stuff as original, and people who haven’t actually seen a real item get taken all the time. Particularly when you are talking about a seldom-encountered item.

Jeffrey Meffert · 11-28-2006, 09:21 PM

I'd love to see pictures of your caps, the real 20's leather caps I mean.

Lapa · 11-30-2006, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dzerzhinsky

...I have a 1967 Soviet made visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original...

Dzerzhinsky,

Could you please post pictures (front, side, inside) of your cap made for the 1967 parade; I was offered something that purports to be it, but I'd like to check, if possible.

Marc

11-07-2006, 03:45 PM	#3
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	cap Welcome to the forum. The leather caps were used from 1917-late 1930's or so; they were not really a regulation item and although there might be isolted cases of use in WWII, the vast majority were in the 1920's and 1930's. The one you have posted pics of is a modern copy out of Ukraine. They show up alot on the internet auctions. Best, DougD Moderator- Cloth

11-08-2006, 02:43 PM	#5
Dzerzhinsky Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 44	Leather Visor The word "fake" is used too much for my tastes. I would define it more as replica and leave it at that. __________________ "The ideal Chekist is a man with a warm heart, cool head and clean hands." "We stand for organised terror . . . Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution . . . The Cheka is obliged to defend the revolution and conquer the enemy even if its sword does by chance sometimes fall on the heads of the innocent." Felix Dzerzhinsky

11-08-2006, 11:40 PM	#7
Dzerzhinsky Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 44	Leather Visor Nack, I could not agree with you more. I guess I jumped the gun a bit due to the fact I have seen so many of these visors over the years and I could not imagine someone actually trying to sell a hat like this one as WWII. I have a 1967 Soviet made visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original. I also have 2 leather pieces from 1919-1920 and they really look nothing like these replicas offered on Ebay periodically. After you handle a genuine leather visor, you can always know the difference. Sorry if I talked too much. __________________ "The ideal Chekist is a man with a warm heart, cool head and clean hands." "We stand for organised terror . . . Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution . . . The Cheka is obliged to defend the revolution and conquer the enemy even if its sword does by chance sometimes fall on the heads of the innocent." Felix Dzerzhinsky Last edited by Dzerzhinsky; 11-29-2006 at 11:29 PM.

11-28-2006, 09:21 PM	#9
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 68 Posts: 640	Dzerzhinsky I'd love to see pictures of your caps, the real 20's leather caps I mean.

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11-07-2006, 03:41 PM	#2
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	Reportedly used by the NKVD. I'd imagine that this one is a fake--looks brand new and the cap badge does too.

11-08-2006, 02:26 AM	#4
Sierra Charriba New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 3	Thanks Of course, is a replica made in Ukraine. I purchased it for reenacting purposes, not as a piece of collection. And really, this cap give an interesting look to user...

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