Fake Order And Medal Booklets

[charlet]

Originally Posted by desantnik

I see nothing wrong with this booklet or its information.

I can perfectly be wrong Paul; I hope I didn't implyed any other thing than an hypothesis.

My question is simple: were there still numbered BM awarded in those years?

[desantnik]

There's no reason to say there weren't and it doesn't make any sense to "fake" this information in the booklet.

Commissariats were sent the unawarded decorations and then they were issued as applications trickled in and/or "catch-up" awards found their way to deserving veterans. Some commissariats in desolate areas with fewer veterans would have taken substantially longer to run out of their stock of numbered awards than, a Moscow-based military commissariat for example.

[rocketscientist]

At a first glance, I was attracted by the way digits are written on this document. Being Italian I might be wrong, but they look to me as written with American calligraphy.
What's your opinion?
cheers
sergio

[desantnik]

The writing, the booklet, the stamp, bad, bad, bad.

[rocketscientist]

Hallo

I have got this booklet together with a ORS badge that I will post in the dedicated section of this forum. The awards seem having been assigned in 1945
but the booklet seems dated more recently.

All comments will be highly appreciated.
Thank you

sergio

[marcotk]

Ciao Sergio,

the booklet is perfectly OK in my opinion. The first date indicates when the first order was given - 1945. The second is just the date when the booklet itself was compiled by the Military Commissariat - after the war.

[Auke]

The first date (June 1945) is actually the month that the privileges started for the first award in the booklet (always the month after the awarding). The actual bestowal date of the Red Star can be anything.

What do you think of the entries in this booklet, and especially the ORBL entry? Is it legit?

[desantnik]

Auke, it's possible, but I don't remember seeing such a stamp, especially from the 40's or 50's. Additionally, a ORBL with 56K serial number would have been awarded probably mid-40's and the book was issued '47.

Maybe the guy was a military officer working with industry, but I would pass on this.

[Auke]

Thanks. The longer I'm looking at it, the more red flags I see, i.e. the privilege date (May 1947) for a Red Star #203323, the order of the awards (a 1953 Red Banner before a 1947 RBL), etc.

[rocketscientist]

Ciao! Time to time it happens that I am tempted to purchase items that are at least suspect if not evidently false. This time I have got a ORS with award document, plus another document of the same person.

After having received these items, I have serious doubts that the award is original. Could you please have a look? Thank you

please note that the soldier already wears an ORS in the picture.

To keep the two documents together, here I show the second I received. I do not know what it is, but here the soldier seems younger (which is consistent with dates of the two documents) and the document more realistic than the award.

ciao!