Fake Badge "Participant In The Hasan Battle 1938" Document.

ANZAC · 08-06-2008, 03:59 AM

Can someone identify this document please. Is it for lake Hasan?

Aleksey Smorodin??

Thanks

Brendan

ANZAC · 08-06-2008, 05:02 AM

Here are another 2 documents to the same person. NKVD??

Brendan

Lapa · 08-06-2008, 05:54 AM

Brendan,

It was issued to Smorodin, Aleksei Denisovich on31/12/1939.
The other 2 IDs are indeed NKVD
I believe that all 3 documents are fakes :thumbsdown

In this case, the 2 NKVD IDs are basically brand spanking new. These IDs were used on a daily basis by the holder, to enter his workplace, prove his entitlements, etc. As such, originals are always worn; fakers try to add "fake wear", but they have not found (yet!) the right formula to give the appearance of years of daily use.

Now, if you have a look at the various threads in which some of these were shown, you'll notice similarities: printing characteristics, fonts used, handwriting, color of ink (there is a difference between originally faded ink, and modern ink that was diluted to appear old), etc.

Here is a genuine Hasan document for comparison purposes. Overall, I have handled a grand total of 4 genuine ones; they are rare as hen's teeth. Play "Spot the differences" :D

Marc

ANZAC · 08-06-2008, 03:51 PM

I have to say Marc that handling the Hasan Doc and looking at the example of yours I cannot see anything that sticks out as being 'fake'. The wear is the same, type face, ink appears faded as with time etc. I also have 6 pics of the awardee that concur with his booklet pic.

Your thoughts on the other two documents??

Brendan

Lapa · 08-06-2008, 04:48 PM

Brndan,

I already gave you my thoughts on all 3 documents: :thumbsdown

RE the Hasan one, pay close attention to the typeface in the word Udostaverenie for starters; look at the underprint, etc.

Marc

ANZAC · 08-06-2008, 05:01 PM

Marc

I notice subtle differences and being a printer by trade I can attribute those differences to the printing process and the stages that each document was printed.

I am not saying that is not a fake, but some others may want to chime in. The jury is still out;)

Brendan

Lapa · 08-06-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANZAC

...I am not saying that is not a fake, but some others may want to chime in. The jury is still out;)

Brendan,

Absolutely! I simply gave you my opinion.

Marc

Nota Bene · 08-06-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Brendan,

I believe that all 3 documents are fakes :thumbsdown

Marc

I completely agree. BTW, the ink stamp with the funny snowflake in stead of a star on the Hasan document, can also be found on many other fake IDs.

Alexei

ANZAC · 08-06-2008, 09:28 PM

Thanks to all for the comments and conclusions.:cry:

Lets see if the seller refunds before I publicly out him as a possible fiend:mad:

Ahhh well back to sticking with what I know best, my beloved Glories;)

Brendan;)

ANZAC · 08-07-2008, 05:29 AM

The seller has kindly refunded the amount:thumbsup

Brendan

08-06-2008, 03:51 PM	#4
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: Lake Hasan Document? I have to say Marc that handling the Hasan Doc and looking at the example of yours I cannot see anything that sticks out as being 'fake'. The wear is the same, type face, ink appears faded as with time etc. I also have 6 pics of the awardee that concur with his booklet pic. Your thoughts on the other two documents?? Brendan __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

08-06-2008, 04:48 PM	#5
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Lake Hasan Document? Brndan, I already gave you my thoughts on all 3 documents: :thumbsdown RE the Hasan one, pay close attention to the typeface in the word Udostaverenie for starters; look at the underprint, etc. Marc

08-06-2008, 05:01 PM	#6
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: Lake Hasan Document? Marc I notice subtle differences and being a printer by trade I can attribute those differences to the printing process and the stages that each document was printed. I am not saying that is not a fake, but some others may want to chime in. The jury is still out;) Brendan __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

08-06-2008, 09:28 PM	#9
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: Lake Hasan Document? Thanks to all for the comments and conclusions.:cry: Lets see if the seller refunds before I publicly out him as a possible fiend:mad: Ahhh well back to sticking with what I know best, my beloved Glories;) Brendan;) __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

08-07-2008, 05:29 AM	#10
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: Lake Hasan Document? The seller has kindly refunded the amount:thumbsup Brendan __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

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