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05-30-2008, 07:55 AM | #1 |
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Please help me guys!
Can you look at these pictures and tell me what you think. Order glory 1st class is 30 gram Labour star is 17 gram without hero star is 21 gram without ribbon (number 379) Lenin type 4 is 36 gram Lenin type 5 is 33 gram Thanks, I would be very happy with your help!!!!!:)
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05-30-2008, 08:03 AM | #2 |
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
!more pictures...
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
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""more pictures....
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05-30-2008, 08:37 AM | #6 |
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
Matthijs,
You are dealing with serious stuff here, commonly faked in high quality. If you are seriously considering this group, start by scanning every single piece at 1200dpi; you also need to scan the inscription on reverse of the Gold Star in 90 degree increments, and the enameled ribbon on the OG1. Short of that, you are potentially asking for serious troubles. I can nevertheless already see some problems: . Fake suspension for the HSU (and definitely wrong screwplate); the SN is seriously out of center, which is unusual (removed last digit?). . Wrong screwplate for the HSL. . OPW2 is not good (fake pin, number outside the range of Moscow Mint issues, soldered ring, letter "O" should be more square shaped, etc). . Entries for the Orders of Glory were added on; I find the SN combination strange. I can't/won't say anything about the rest based upon pictures of this quality. Marc Last edited by Lapa; 05-30-2008 at 08:44 AM. |
05-30-2008, 08:53 AM | #7 |
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
I agree with Marc.
These are expensive pieces targeted by forgers. I personally would not purchase any of these decorations without a close, personal examination. |
05-30-2008, 10:56 AM | #8 |
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
matthijs,
Even from these rather poor images, my judgment is that the Glory 1st Class is bad. Concur with desnatnik. You need to personally handle these pieces in order to best view their characteristic production "markers." Regards, slava1stclass |
06-05-2008, 10:26 AM | #9 |
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Re: Order lenin, gold star
Thanks you guys:thumbsup,
I decided not to buy any of these orders. Pleople payed quit a lot of money for these medals. Lenin: 3700 euro patriotic war: 1200 euro Glory 1st class: 3700 euro HSU: not sold at 2000 euro minimum bid
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