Stolen Awards. - Page 12

new world · 02-04-2004, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

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Like that Suvorov 1 that had it's number altered...
Rusty.

Must have been the same Suvorov displayed on your forum profile?

HuliganRS · 02-04-2004, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new world

Must have been the same Suvorov displayed on your forum profile?

No comment.

Rusty.

otlichnik · 02-05-2004, 03:30 AM

Guys, it is important to keep in mind that there is basically no such thing as Interpol!

Interpol is an information exchange body only. It posts notices like this because it is asked to by a member police force, in this case obviously Ukraine. In fact, looking at the web site again, it is not Interpol HQ, but Interpol Ukraine that has posted the notice. Interpol Ukraine is actually part of the Ukrainian police. It is simply the section of the Ukrainian police designaed to deal with Interpol HQ.

Interpol never arrests anyone. It has no powers anywhere. The Ukrainian police could officially ask, via Interpol liaison officers, the police of USA or Sweden or wherever to do something for them. However, they have to act under the laws of the country the action is to be carried out in - i.e. USA or Sweden.

If you have wanted award X the Ukrainian police would still have to present legal evidence, in effect begin a legal case, in your jurisdiction.

Therefore, my conclusion is, if you have a really famous, big ticket item that the Russian or Ukrainina state wishes to begin a legal case over you could be in trouble. Although, even in this case the most you would likely face is confiscation unless you were somehow party to the theft.

Shawn

PS Let me say as a diplomat, that if a diplomat from any foreign country ever tries to confiscate something from you, tell them to %@$#* right off and call your local police right away. Diplomats have no such powers anywhere, ever!!

new world · 01-13-2005, 12:35 AM

Looks like investigators made some progress on this Brooklyn-based Russian awards dealer robbery case.

Here's recent article from New York Post:

"JEWEL HEIST BUSTS

By MICHAEL WHITE and KATI CORNELL SMITH
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 11, 2005 -- The feds yesterday busted a ring of violent robbers linked to the Russian mob who netted $4 million in a string of major heists — including $1.5 million in antiques from a dealer's home and a $1 million smash-and-grab at an Upper East Side jewelry store, the feds said.
Authorities have arrested five accused ring members — including the appropriately named mastermind of the antique heist, Oleg Grabsky — on an indictment unsealed in Brooklyn federal court yesterday. The FBI is hunting for two more suspects.

In their biggest heist, crew members lowered themselves from the roof of a six-story building in Sheepshead Bay onto a Russian antiquities dealer's terrace and forced their way through the sliding glass doors.

Describing the harrowing Aug. 8, 2002 robbery, victim Dmitry ****** told The Post he and his girlfriend were tied up for two hours while robbers ransacked his apartment and made-off with antique swords, rare coins and Russian military medals.

"We were both thinking we were about to die," said ******, who operates a mail-order business from his home and has since moved to New Jersey.

"They punched me with the gun. They broke my lip. There was nothing you could do," ****** said.

Grabsky, 34, a former neighbor of ******, had hundreds of books about coin collecting and boxes of old coins at the home he shares with his parents.

He was held without bail.

Grabsky's mother maintained her son was innocent, adding she had no idea why he was arrested.

"They took him out like he was a killer," she said. " I don't believe this could happen."

Two others accused of helping with this scheme — Gidon Abramov, 37, and Artur "Lisiy" Drubetskiy, 32 — were nabbed in November.

The feds have charged Abramov and Drubetskiy with orchestrating the heist of 55 pieces of jewelry worth $1 million in a noon armed-robbery at Michael Ashton Fine Jewelry, at 933 Madison Ave., on July 16, 2004.

DNA tests linked Abramov to blood found in the store, where employees said one of the robbers smashed his fist through a glass cabinet, authorities said.

The Upper East Side store is one of at least three jewelry merchants targeted — including one in Wisconsin — according to the indictment.

Also arraigned yesterday was Dmitry Lerner, 43, who was held without bail for allegedly stealing $333,000 in belongings from a businessman in New Jersey.

Another ring member, Susan Songaila — a k a Susan Karamian — was released on $300,000 bail in the alleged robbery of an elderly woman. "

Link to NYPost article:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38321.htm

William

slava1stclass · 01-13-2005, 01:39 AM

William,

Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, no mention is made of whether any of Gospodin ******'s stolen Soviet orders (to include three Orders of Glory 1st Class) were recovered.

Regards,

slava1stclass

Dave · 01-13-2005, 07:34 AM

My bet is that the stolen awards (and coins, for that matter) were back in Russia in a matter of weeks (if not days) after the hiest. They are long gone into collections over there.

--Dave

Nota Bene · 01-14-2005, 03:17 PM

GUys,

This news was on the radio a couple of days ago, but no mention of any awards recovered.

Alexei

AlexF. · 01-14-2005, 04:59 PM

Hi to all,
The guy, that lived in Dmitry's building was also semi-dealer/semi-collector (coins, mostly). There is a possibility that some colleagues (from US, at least) know him personally, or even bought stuff from him in the past...

Since FBI and InterPOL was scanning for these items and found nothing, there is also a possibility that a lot of it wasn't smuggled abroad, but was quetly sold here, or still sitting in same bags...

Just a thought, since all involved are kept w/o bail, this is very serious matter, several heavy violations on each of them, and most likely they will start talking soon, if didn't start already, and name every person, who they sold and what (if they did)...

So, let's sit back and watch

Cheers,

-Alex.

zscout370 · 04-06-2005, 06:26 PM

I was on the site recently, and I did not see anything that mentioned if anything was recovered. I also sadly think many of the group pieces were broken up.

AlexF. · 04-07-2005, 09:26 AM

That's not a good assumption. Trials like this take years (already taking about 2), meanwhile, everything recovered is evidence, only after the trial, perhaps, it may be released back into ******'s inventory...

01-13-2005, 01:39 AM	#115
slava1stclass Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 838	William, Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, no mention is made of whether any of Gospodin *****'s stolen Soviet orders (to include three Orders of Glory 1st Class) were recovered. Regards, slava1stclass Last edited by slava1stclass; 01-13-2005 at 03:10 AM.*

04-06-2005, 06:26 PM	#119
zscout370 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oceanside, California, United States Age: 38 Posts: 30	I was on the site recently, and I did not see anything that mentioned if anything was recovered. I also sadly think many of the group pieces were broken up. __________________ Zach Harden

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02-05-2004, 03:30 AM	#113
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Guys, it is important to keep in mind that there is basically no such thing as Interpol! Interpol is an information exchange body only. It posts notices like this because it is asked to by a member police force, in this case obviously Ukraine. In fact, looking at the web site again, it is not Interpol HQ, but Interpol Ukraine that has posted the notice. Interpol Ukraine is actually part of the Ukrainian police. It is simply the section of the Ukrainian police designaed to deal with Interpol HQ. Interpol never arrests anyone. It has no powers anywhere. The Ukrainian police could officially ask, via Interpol liaison officers, the police of USA or Sweden or wherever to do something for them. However, they have to act under the laws of the country the action is to be carried out in - i.e. USA or Sweden. If you have wanted award X the Ukrainian police would still have to present legal evidence, in effect begin a legal case, in your jurisdiction. Therefore, my conclusion is, if you have a really famous, big ticket item that the Russian or Ukrainina state wishes to begin a legal case over you could be in trouble. Although, even in this case the most you would likely face is confiscation unless you were somehow party to the theft. Shawn PS Let me say as a diplomat, that if a diplomat from any foreign country ever tries to confiscate something from you, tell them to %@$#* right off and call your local police right away. Diplomats have no such powers anywhere, ever!!

01-13-2005, 12:35 AM	#114
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Looks like investigators made some progress on this Brooklyn-based Russian awards dealer robbery case. Here's recent article from New York Post: "JEWEL HEIST BUSTS By MICHAEL WHITE and KATI CORNELL SMITH -------------------------------------------------------------------------- January 11, 2005 -- The feds yesterday busted a ring of violent robbers linked to the Russian mob who netted $4 million in a string of major heists — including $1.5 million in antiques from a dealer's home and a $1 million smash-and-grab at an Upper East Side jewelry store, the feds said. Authorities have arrested five accused ring members — including the appropriately named mastermind of the antique heist, Oleg Grabsky — on an indictment unsealed in Brooklyn federal court yesterday. The FBI is hunting for two more suspects. In their biggest heist, crew members lowered themselves from the roof of a six-story building in Sheepshead Bay onto a Russian antiquities dealer's terrace and forced their way through the sliding glass doors. Describing the harrowing Aug. 8, 2002 robbery, victim Dmitry **** told The Post he and his girlfriend were tied up for two hours while robbers ransacked his apartment and made-off with antique swords, rare coins and Russian military medals. "We were both thinking we were about to die," said **, who operates a mail-order business from his home and has since moved to New Jersey. "They punched me with the gun. They broke my lip. There was nothing you could do," ** said. Grabsky, 34, a former neighbor of ****, had hundreds of books about coin collecting and boxes of old coins at the home he shares with his parents. He was held without bail. Grabsky's mother maintained her son was innocent, adding she had no idea why he was arrested. "They took him out like he was a killer," she said. " I don't believe this could happen." Two others accused of helping with this scheme — Gidon Abramov, 37, and Artur "Lisiy" Drubetskiy, 32 — were nabbed in November. The feds have charged Abramov and Drubetskiy with orchestrating the heist of 55 pieces of jewelry worth $1 million in a noon armed-robbery at Michael Ashton Fine Jewelry, at 933 Madison Ave., on July 16, 2004. DNA tests linked Abramov to blood found in the store, where employees said one of the robbers smashed his fist through a glass cabinet, authorities said. The Upper East Side store is one of at least three jewelry merchants targeted — including one in Wisconsin — according to the indictment. Also arraigned yesterday was Dmitry Lerner, 43, who was held without bail for allegedly stealing $333,000 in belongings from a businessman in New Jersey. Another ring member, Susan Songaila — a k a Susan Karamian — was released on $300,000 bail in the alleged robbery of an elderly woman. " Link to NYPost article: http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38321.htm William

01-13-2005, 07:34 AM	#116
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	My bet is that the stolen awards (and coins, for that matter) were back in Russia in a matter of weeks (if not days) after the hiest. They are long gone into collections over there. --Dave

01-14-2005, 03:17 PM	#117
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	GUys, This news was on the radio a couple of days ago, but no mention of any awards recovered. Alexei

01-14-2005, 04:59 PM	#118
AlexF. Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 65	Hi to all, The guy, that lived in Dmitry's building was also semi-dealer/semi-collector (coins, mostly). There is a possibility that some colleagues (from US, at least) know him personally, or even bought stuff from him in the past... Since FBI and InterPOL was scanning for these items and found nothing, there is also a possibility that a lot of it wasn't smuggled abroad, but was quetly sold here, or still sitting in same bags... Just a thought, since all involved are kept w/o bail, this is very serious matter, several heavy violations on each of them, and most likely they will start talking soon, if didn't start already, and name every person, who they sold and what (if they did)... So, let's sit back and watch Cheers, -Alex.

04-07-2005, 09:26 AM	#120
AlexF. Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 65	That's not a good assumption. Trials like this take years (already taking about 2), meanwhile, everything recovered is evidence, only after the trial, perhaps, it may be released back into ******'s inventory...

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