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06-07-2010, 11:40 PM | #11 | |
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06-08-2010, 05:12 AM | #12 |
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You kinda hit the nail on the head, Phil. All you need is the correct ribbon and, voila!, you have a Karhatalom medal! There would be absolutely no way to tell. So, you find an honest, reputable dealer. My Karhatalom medal cost me exactly what a Police medal costs... same with the Border Guard medal.
As interest in Hungarian items grows- and I believe it will- remember this conversation.
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06-17-2010, 05:41 AM | #13 |
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A few more additions... first, three more year pins for the Voluntary Police. A 10, 15 and 25 year badge. The white surround models were earlier than the blue surround models, but I don't have an exact time on the "change-over".
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Here's a Rakosi period State Security/Border Guard cap badge. Note that there are no weapons below the star. This was a bit tough to get.
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This is a badge for a Border Guard Volunteer- very similar to the Police Volunteer I showed earlier, except this has cold enamel.
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07-06-2010, 05:58 PM | #16 |
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As I now have the badge set in-hand, I can share a few detail shots. This particular version of the badge is fastened to the uniform by the famous Hungarian opposing prongs method, indicating that this badge is the earliest of the Kadar period Excellent State Security Police Service badges- a later version was pin-backed. There was another type of this badge... I was recently privileged to see it... the star is huge and, apparently, plastic; the weapons are also larger and the Kadar seal is moved to the lower portion of the wreath. This model must not have lasted long as there may be only one produced. Anyway, here's a couple close-ups of mine. As you can see, there are some enamel issues with the Kadar seal but, overall, this badge is in nice shape.
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Here's the miniature... heavy gilt with a standard pin back. Not for uniform wear- just civilian clothing- and probably not worn much if at all. Also, whereas the case was form fitting for the larger badge- even accounting for the prongs on the back- the miniature is simply set in the case (pinned to the lining).
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Very nice indeed. I also think you are perfectly correct about not many people wanting to wear them in public. Not terribly good for one's health.;)
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Though not strictly security, this is Interior Ministry and, frankly, I don't know where else to put it. This is a Volunteer Fireman's badge. I saw it and was intrigued by the similarity to the other volunteer badges; talked the seller down quite a bit and, voila!, mine. As you can see, it took a pretty hard knock at 11 o'clock, but still a nice piece.
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It seems as good a place as any since all of the Warsaw Pact countries (and a few others) seem to have had their fire departments under the same ministry as at least internal security. I also believe there are a few other countries - including the USSR - that had awards that were nearly identical for fire and national police. These are fairly solid, well-made badges especially considering the multi-piece construction. The wheat and torch are not a third piece like on the police assistant badges, are they? Phillip
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