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09-25-2004, 11:09 AM | #11 | |
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I was once offered a group to a former Colonel who was purged in 1937, and rehabilitated at the beginning of the War as a rifleman! This group contained several early/mid 1930's awards, in addition to several awards that he earned during the War. The 1930's awards were his original ones; confiscated and then re-awarded to him during the War. Unfortuantely, the fellow offering the group got a better offer for it and I lost out... :cry: --Dave |
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09-25-2004, 11:14 AM | #12 |
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Thanks Dave, and really too bad for that group. I bet it was one in a million.
Marc |
09-25-2004, 12:42 PM | #13 |
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Marc
You wrote " ... the fact that, for instance, people awarded with the Order of the Red Banner of the RSFSR (screwback) who were repressed, received upon rehabilitation a brand new Order ...". You didn't present that as an opinion or conjecture, but as a fact. Your word, not mine. Then you wrote "I can't seem to find where in my statement I wrote, or even implied, a sense of "always"". You said it was a fact. Now you say it isn't "always" a fact? From m-w.com: Fact 5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality - in fact : in truth My real-life experience contradicts your "fact". What you stated as a fact was not always the case and, therefore, not a fact. Your statement was conjecture, not fact. Also from m-w.com: Conjecture 2 a : inference from defective or presumptive evidence b : a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c : a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved I often indulge in conjecture when I study this field. I try not to present my conjectures as facts. Chuck |
09-26-2004, 10:25 AM | #14 |
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Chuck,
And here we go again, with English speakers taking everything to the dot without any allowance for non English-speaking natives' language limitations. Keep up the good work, and this will surely end up an English-speaking natives' forum only for discussion of the finer points of the English language, grammar and etiquette. I am not sure if this is a conjecture or a fact, but it sure is my forecast. Marc PS: thank you for the grammar lesson, I'll attempt to cram that somewhere in my neurones. |
09-26-2004, 06:06 PM | #15 |
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Marc, Chuck... Cool it. I know you both and you're both good people. Just settle down and let it blow over. A miscommunication doesn't need to become an altercation. Thanks. --Dave |
09-26-2004, 06:39 PM | #16 | |
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examples are numerous - Rokossovsky being the most famous one. Then there's Marshal Kulick (although not 1940 rehabilitation, but he did get his awards back when re-instates in General rank). William |
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09-26-2004, 11:54 PM | #17 |
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A Later Example
Here's a later example pertaining to a Cavalier of the Order of Glory. At the bottom of his award card is the following :
Note: Deprived of the right to possess awards by a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet dated 4 July 1949. Right reinstated by a decree of the Supreme Soviet dated 26 February 1975. I have no details on why his orders were taken away but he definitely got them back and was subsequently given a cavalier booklet. Hope to see some of you guys at the Max next weekend. Doug (the other one) |
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