The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum  
  • Serial Numbers Database 2.0
Enter Here

vBClassified Featured Listings
Echoes of War
Seeking following Soviet campaign medals for ..,

Go Back   The Soviet Military Awards Page Forum > Soviet Awards Forums > Imperial Russian Sphere And Resulting Nations > Great Mongolian State

Great Mongolian State Их Монгол Улс 29th December 1911 - 26th November 1924

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-21-2012, 07:58 AM   #11
Lapa
Senior Member
 
Lapa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: St Petersburg, Russia
Age: 63
Posts: 2,397
Re: Order of the Precious Rod (Vajra)

Guys,

Most likely a rather uneducated-sounding question, but how do you differenciate the classes/grades on those? (that is, other than "because the dealer told me so" type of reason :D)

Marc
Lapa is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-21-2012, 08:41 AM   #12
medals73
Senior Member
 
medals73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Earth, most of the time
Posts: 2,016
Re: Order of the Precious Rod (Vajra)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lapa View Post
Guys,

Most likely a rather uneducated-sounding question, but how do you differenciate the classes/grades on those? (that is, other than "because the dealer told me so" type of reason :D)

Marc
A very good and reasonable question. It is as complex as the imperial Chinese orders (on which I suspect it was patterned). The differences in so far as we know them are detailed in Battushig's book (pp. 41-43) and in Bold (pp. 5-10 - if you can read it) (while it falls outside Urnukh's time period, he briefly discusses it pp. 12-13); since that, I have gotten some documents from the archives in UB. In tentative summary:

Type 1 (1913-24)

Type 1.1 (First Class) - yellow ribbon (when ribboned) - distinguishing these (and specimens are super-rare) requires, I think, reading the reverse legend
Type 1.1.1 (First Class, First Grade) - red stones at center and top - also seen referred to as the "Order of Chengis Khan" (distinct from the current order)
Type 1.1.2 (First Class, Second Grade) - red stones at center and top - also seen referred to as the "Order of Abtain Sain Khan"
Type 1.1.3 (First Class, Third Grade) - coral at center and top - also seen referred to as the "Order of Undur Gegeen"

Type 1.2 (Second Class) - red ribbon
Type 1.2.1 (Second Class, First Grade) - red stone at center and light blue stone at top
Type 1.2.2 (Second Class, Second Grade) - red stone at center and dark blue stone (lapis?) at top
Type 1.2.3 (Second Class, Third Grade) - coral at center
Type 1.2.4 (Second Class, Fourth Grade) - ??? at center

Type 1.3 (Third Class) - blue/gray ribbon
Type 1.3.1 (Third Class, First Grade) - blue stone (lapis?) at center and coral at top
Type 1.3.2 (Third Class, Second Grade) - coral at center
Type 1.3.3 (Third Class, Third Grade) - moonstone at center
Type 1.3.4 (Third Class, Fourth Grade) - lapis at center
Type 1.3.5 (Third Class, Fifth Grade) - white stone (enamel?) at center

Interestingly, it briefly survived the 1921 revolution.

Type 2 (1991—)

Type 2.1 (First Grade)
Type 2.1.1 (First Grade – cloth ribbon) - 1 known to have been awarded
Type 2.1.2 (First Grade – enameled ribbon) - 1 known to have been awarded

Type 2.2 (Second Grade) - 2 known to have been awarded

Type 2.3 (Third Grade) - not yet awarded ?

The numbers of awards for the Type 2 may need updating. I am still trying to find out if Hillary Clinton got one during her recent visit.

Urnukh?
medals73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2012, 01:46 PM   #13
Lapa
Senior Member
 
Lapa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: St Petersburg, Russia
Age: 63
Posts: 2,397
Re: Order of the Precious Rod (Vajra)

Ed,

Thank you for the detailed explanation. So, effectively, the ribbon would be the main determinant of class, whereas stones would be that of grade, right?

Marc
Lapa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2012, 01:57 PM   #14
medals73
Senior Member
 
medals73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Earth, most of the time
Posts: 2,016
Re: Order of the Precious Rod (Vajra)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lapa View Post
Ed,

Thank you for the detailed explanation. So, effectively, the ribbon would be the main determinant of class, whereas stones would be that of grade, right?

Marc
Yes, essentially. There are no matches in design and, in any case, the reverse legend is the real giveaway (if you can read it).

And here's a pair in the historical museum in Ulaanbaatar.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg HisMus1.jpg (22.8 KB, 13 views)
medals73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #15
medals73
Senior Member
 
medals73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Earth, most of the time
Posts: 2,016
Re: Order of the Precious Rod (Vajra)

Actually, here's a useful (?) image (of the ones that were for sale) showing the three classes.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg D16.jpg (85.0 KB, 18 views)
medals73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Precious Metal Content of Soviet Decorations JensF. Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics 11 01-02-2012 11:03 AM


Medieval knight Armor Pair of pauldrons & gorget shoulder Larp Armor Replica gif picture

Medieval knight Armor Pair of pauldrons & gorget shoulder Larp Armor Replica gif

$89.00



Concealable Body Armor Level 3a Rated For 44mag. Removable Inserts. Lightweight picture

Concealable Body Armor Level 3a Rated For 44mag. Removable Inserts. Lightweight

$270.00



10x Put on the Whole Armor of God Commemorative Challenge Coins Collection Gifts picture

10x Put on the Whole Armor of God Commemorative Challenge Coins Collection Gifts

$15.00



WAIZ Medieval Chain Mail Tie Body Armor Armour Chainmail Shirt Necktie Chainmai picture

WAIZ Medieval Chain Mail Tie Body Armor Armour Chainmail Shirt Necktie Chainmai

$27.14



Ranger Body Armor 2nd Gen Size L Large Oldgen W/ Soft Inserts picture

Ranger Body Armor 2nd Gen Size L Large Oldgen W/ Soft Inserts

$320.00



TG Faust Special Forces Size Medium Vest Body Armor Oldgen 1994 picture

TG Faust Special Forces Size Medium Vest Body Armor Oldgen 1994

$800.00



Ranger Body Armor 2nd Gen XL Extra Large Oldgen W/ Soft Inserts One Vest picture

Ranger Body Armor 2nd Gen XL Extra Large Oldgen W/ Soft Inserts One Vest

$275.00



UARM Dyneema Inner Thigh Groin Armor picture

UARM Dyneema Inner Thigh Groin Armor

$100.00



Pair Of STRIKE FACE BODY ARMOR SIDE PLATE LEVEL III CERAMIC picture

Pair Of STRIKE FACE BODY ARMOR SIDE PLATE LEVEL III CERAMIC

$199.99



Paraclete Maritime Security Flotation System MSFAS Plate Carrier Vest X-Large picture

Paraclete Maritime Security Flotation System MSFAS Plate Carrier Vest X-Large

$259.99




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2011 Arthur G. Bates III