Exporting Of Items. - Page 27

medals73 · 08-20-2007, 06:10 PM

Unless they enlist Interpol into the game, as has been done before.

Dave · 08-20-2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stepanovich

I guess that put those of us sitting here in the US buying and selling goods through the mail which are considered by some to be stolen.

(Sorry Dave, I know you've gone over all this before ad infinitum, and are probably tired of it by now)

No worries. There was a lengthy discussion about this when the Russian government tried to take the awards from a notable auction house in the UK:

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ion-house.html

This is unfortunately not a hobby that you can have if you want your hands completely "clean" of breaking the law, unfortunately.

Most of us have learned just not to ask questions...

Dave

Stepanovich · 08-20-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

No worries. There was a lengthy discussion about this when the Russian government tried to take the awards from a notable auction house in the UK:

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ion-house.html

This is unfortunately not a hobby that you can have if you want your hands completely "clean" of breaking the law, unfortunately.

Most of us have learned just not to ask questions...

Dave

I understand Dave, and since I enjoy this area of collecting much more than the subject of this thread concerns me, I think I will follow your lead.

Steve

Esteban_cool · 08-20-2007, 08:08 PM

To me it´s both a shame and painful that once again we chileans become known for such actions like this. And unfortunately they´re not a minority inside our nation.
Always the same thing.

willie777 · 08-20-2007, 11:51 PM

Are the laws regarding the export of Soviet awards "ex post facto (retrospective) laws"? If so, then any foreigner that has been awarded, or even a Soviet national that has been awarded and brought it out of the country during Soviet times has commited a crime... If the law is not ex post facto, and also applies to the medals of their own country, be it Ukraine, Belarus, or Russia, etc. Any foreigner that has been awarded a medal has commited a crime...

Tretov · 08-21-2007, 02:21 AM

I do not think it is prohibited for the person who has legally been awarded to bring the decoration to whereever he wants. The "target" with the law is not to catch veterans who move abroad and bring their awards with them - the purpose is to catch those who, just for fun (more or less, hobby or profit) bring awards out. Sometimes in quantities of grocery bags, sometimes just as two jubilee awards.

jefflgarrison · 08-21-2007, 02:58 AM

Could you imagine going to prison for seven years for trying to take a "jubilee award" out of the country? Especially if it was a recent award. Ouch!

Yeti · 08-21-2007, 05:15 AM

I don't think they care about jubilee medals. They sell these in the open at tourist fairs in Russia and the police don't seem to care.
But numbered awards seem to be a bit dangerous to take home after the vacation. I was at a market in Russia when the seller I bought a badge of asked me to come behind the table. he opened a small bag and showed me a Patriotic war 2nd cl T3 and a Labor Glory. It is illegal and not worth it so I did not buy them and I could see that he knew this too.

/Erik

Tretov · 08-21-2007, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yeti

I don't think they care about jubilee medals. They sell these in the open at tourist fairs in Russia and the police don't seem to care.

I don't think it is illegal to sell them - the trouble appears when you try to take them out from Russia.

Yeti · 08-21-2007, 09:00 AM

When they sell them to tourists in markets made for tourists I think that it is without saying that they will be taken over the borders. I'm not saying that it is illegal to sell them, just that the law will be broken very
soon after they are sold. It must become very tiresome to hunt tourists with jubilee medals in their bags at the airport.

/Erik

08-20-2007, 08:08 PM	#264
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 37 Posts: 1,103	To me it´s both a shame and painful that once again we chileans become known for such actions like this. And unfortunately they´re not a minority inside our nation. Always the same thing. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

08-21-2007, 02:21 AM	#266
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	I do not think it is prohibited for the person who has legally been awarded to bring the decoration to whereever he wants. The "target" with the law is not to catch veterans who move abroad and bring their awards with them - the purpose is to catch those who, just for fun (more or less, hobby or profit) bring awards out. Sometimes in quantities of grocery bags, sometimes just as two jubilee awards. Last edited by Tretov; 08-21-2007 at 02:25 AM.

08-21-2007, 02:58 AM	#267
jefflgarrison Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gdańsk, Poland Age: 59 Posts: 381	Could you imagine going to prison for seven years for trying to take a "jubilee award" out of the country? Especially if it was a recent award. Ouch! __________________ "Who will come to us with a sword - will be killed by a sword. Who will come to us with a feather - will be tickled by a feather!" - citation of Alexander Nevski

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08-21-2007, 05:15 AM	#268
Yeti Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 62	I don't think they care about jubilee medals. They sell these in the open at tourist fairs in Russia and the police don't seem to care. But numbered awards seem to be a bit dangerous to take home after the vacation. I was at a market in Russia when the seller I bought a badge of asked me to come behind the table. he opened a small bag and showed me a Patriotic war 2nd cl T3 and a Labor Glory. It is illegal and not worth it so I did not buy them and I could see that he knew this too. /Erik

08-21-2007, 09:00 AM	#270
Yeti Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 62	When they sell them to tourists in markets made for tourists I think that it is without saying that they will be taken over the borders. I'm not saying that it is illegal to sell them, just that the law will be broken very soon after they are sold. It must become very tiresome to hunt tourists with jubilee medals in their bags at the airport. /Erik

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