Fake Medals "For Combat Merits" - Page 29

EricFG · 03-16-2012, 09:28 AM

Small number font indeed. Duplicate? But it doesn't match anything at the Mondvor site. I'd guess it's just an anomaly.

Bill Garvy · 03-16-2012, 10:16 AM

I don't like the number stamping, the ring atop the medal itself, or the reverse of the suspension. I strongly suspect a previously unnumbered piece with number stamps "value-added" at some point. The characteristics of the medal itself do not appear to match other examples in that serial number range. Someone please make a liar out of me. . .

***CtahhR*** · 03-16-2012, 10:23 AM

I have seen this style of number before but as for where I can't remember but I'm sure someone will know.

Never-the-less this is a post-GPW piece.

Lapa · 03-16-2012, 03:13 PM

Ricardo,

Welcome to our Forum. Unfortunately, you are starting your participation with a 50/50 score: the base medal is genuine, issued unnumbered in the 1950's~60's, but the small stamped digits were added later on in an attempt to make "a duplicate" out of an ordinary medal. I hope that you dod not pay any premium over the value of an unnumbered medals.

Marc

R.Ricardo · 03-16-2012, 03:45 PM

Fortunately I don't paid so much for this medal and I think the lessons I'm heaving here are very inestimable to avoid others mistakes in my future soviet medals purchases.

But only a question: What do you means as "a duplicate" medal, a forgery only to ad-value or a reposition medal for another with the same number?

Thank You very much.:thumbsup

Lapa · 03-16-2012, 03:55 PM

Ricardo,

In some rare cases, a recipient could obtain a replacement for a lost/stolen/destroyed medal, but it was a very complicated process, so these are rather rare, and therefore more valuable than an original issue. HOWEVER, fakers have long noticed that collectors were willing to pay more for a purported duplicate, so they started producing some using the cheaper, later types of medals (unnumbered). Yours is, unfortunately, one of those.

Marc

R.Ricardo · 03-16-2012, 05:47 PM

Thank You again Marc.:thumbsup

Sergei · 04-12-2012, 02:54 AM

Combat Service 344xxx range from my collection - need to learn about square hangers a bit more. Are the various parts of suspension correct?
Thanks,
Sergei

Alfred · 04-12-2012, 03:30 AM

Sergei,

my first impression is yes.

regards
Andreas

marsino · 04-12-2012, 04:20 AM

I like everything, but I'm a "student" :D

03-16-2012, 09:28 AM	#281
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Small number font indeed. Duplicate? But it doesn't match anything at the Mondvor site. I'd guess it's just an anomaly. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

03-16-2012, 10:16 AM	#282
Bill Garvy Comrade Curmudgeon Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,642	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service I don't like the number stamping, the ring atop the medal itself, or the reverse of the suspension. I strongly suspect a previously unnumbered piece with number stamps "value-added" at some point. The characteristics of the medal itself do not appear to match other examples in that serial number range. Someone please make a liar out of me. . .

03-16-2012, 10:23 AM	#283
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service I have seen this style of number before but as for where I can't remember but I'm sure someone will know. Never-the-less this is a post-GPW piece. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

03-16-2012, 03:13 PM	#284
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Ricardo, Welcome to our Forum. Unfortunately, you are starting your participation with a 50/50 score: the base medal is genuine, issued unnumbered in the 1950's~60's, but the small stamped digits were added later on in an attempt to make "a duplicate" out of an ordinary medal. I hope that you dod not pay any premium over the value of an unnumbered medals. Marc

03-16-2012, 03:45 PM	#285
R.Ricardo New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Fortunately I don't paid so much for this medal and I think the lessons I'm heaving here are very inestimable to avoid others mistakes in my future soviet medals purchases. But only a question: What do you means as "a duplicate" medal, a forgery only to ad-value or a reposition medal for another with the same number? Thank You very much.:thumbsup Last edited by R.Ricardo; 03-16-2012 at 03:51 PM.

03-16-2012, 03:55 PM	#286
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Ricardo, In some rare cases, a recipient could obtain a replacement for a lost/stolen/destroyed medal, but it was a very complicated process, so these are rather rare, and therefore more valuable than an original issue. HOWEVER, fakers have long noticed that collectors were willing to pay more for a purported duplicate, so they started producing some using the cheaper, later types of medals (unnumbered). Yours is, unfortunately, one of those. Marc

03-16-2012, 05:47 PM	#287
R.Ricardo New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Thank You again Marc.:thumbsup

04-12-2012, 03:30 AM	#289
Alfred Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany, Cologne Posts: 626	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service Sergei, my first impression is yes. regards Andreas

04-12-2012, 04:20 AM	#290
marsino Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Italy Age: 58 Posts: 389	Re: Fake Medals for Combat Service I like everything, but I'm a "student" :D

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