Medals "For Impeccable Service". - Page 3

Christophe · 11-29-2003, 06:23 PM

Thanks Jussi-Pekka,

You are absolutely right. Thinking this was a MVD doc., I did not notice that.
BTW, could you please help me to translate the cover, as well as the names and content (if it is not too much to ask :D ).

In advance, many thanks.

Cheers.

Ch.

Nota Bene · 11-29-2003, 09:38 PM

Christophe,

If the reason for posting those medals was to ask for opinions on their authenticity, I think you are safe, because they never get faked, except for some KGB and MOOP variations.

Alexei

kameli · 11-30-2003, 02:40 PM

The number in the document is not the number of the medal.

It is the number of the order of the day in which the medal is awarded.

The text before number is in english something like
" In SSSR's ministry for internal affairs order of the day n.o___ date____ is awarded medal "For Irreproachable Service" ___ class".

Regards,
Jussi-Pekka

Christophe · 11-30-2003, 03:23 PM

Is there some existing statistics about the number of these medals (MoD, MVD, MOOP, KGB...) awarded ?

Ch.

EricFG · 05-02-2008, 06:05 PM

Funny abbreviation. :)

So I went after what I hope to be a solid silver 20 years medal.
The image below shows, on the right, my initial aquisition; what I assumed to be a nickle silver medal. And on the left is what I hope to be a solid silver medal.

The left one 'seems' to feel slightly heavier. It also shows that nice grey patina that silver should show as opposed to the white/grey of the right medal.

Another question would be my dealer has what I think are a 10 and a 15 year KGB medals. I'm not quite sure if they are T1 or T2s. Are KGB medals any more desirable/saleable than MoD medals and if so what should I expect to pay for them?

Thanks in advance.

Lapa · 05-03-2008, 02:50 AM

Eric,

You should weigh your medals. If silver, it should be 4~5 g heavier than non-silver (from memory, Ag~21g, CuNi~16g).

Armed forces long-service medals are the most common variation. Anything else is scarce, therefore... more expensive.
True KGB long-service awards have roman numerals (X, XV, XX) on the front; if there is no roman numeral, regardless of what the seller tells you, they are not KGB.

Marc

EricFG · 05-03-2008, 07:44 AM

Marc,
Thanks so very much for the help here and with the other two threads I posted last night. Your assitance is invaluable to me and I appreciate it greatly. :thumbsup

Yet another question: In The Red Book, on page 357 the Pauls show us T1 and T2 KGB medals and they state "Only Type 2 medals have the Roman numerals". Since said book's publishing has there been some clarification on the T1 vs T2 situation?

Lapa · 05-04-2008, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

...If silver, it should be 4~5 g heavier than non-silver (from memory, Ag~21g, CuNi~16g)....

Thanks Nick!

Well, it must mean that good old Alzheimer has not spread fully yet ;)

Marc

PS: nice, scarce medal you got there :thumbsup

kabanchik · 02-24-2005, 12:02 AM

:confused: I have a question for the Forum. I know that before the introduction of the three Medals for Irreproachable Service, existing orders and medals were given for various periods of service. Were there actually set rules or statutes, awarding a specific medal or order for a specific period of service, or were the medals given at random, depending on the political or military stature of the recipient, or upon the whim of the authority issuing the award?

Chuck In Oregon · 02-24-2005, 04:35 AM

That is an interesting and relevant question. I have several very-low-issue service badges awarded to various early -- and I stress early, as in mid-1920s to mid-1930s, before institutional reforms like the Irreproachable Service theme -- Soviet Georgian officials. I believe that these service badges were designed and struck by/for their various agencies without any known official approval or sanction other than the agency head. For instance, I have a very striking 1926 5-Year Service badge of the Georgian People's Militia in silver, gold and black enamel, a 1931 silver and gold 10-Year Service badge from the Georgian Narkomat of Justice and a couple of others that don't show up in common catalogs.

Regarding these badges, I think that they were given to honor high-ranking officials rather than simply to anyone who made it alive through five or ten years of service. I have never heard of any statutes regarding these awards and I doubt if any existed. They are beautiful awards, to be sure. Tbilisi was a very famous jewelry and art center for ages, and they were undoubtedly made here. In fact, even Dmitri Kuchkin had a large facility here.

As to your exact question, my money would be on "whim" rather than "statute", but I admit that I don't know for sure.

Chuck In Oregon
Currently, Chuck In Tbilisi

11-30-2003, 02:40 PM	#3
kameli Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 193	about the rarity (numbers) The number in the document is not the number of the medal. It is the number of the order of the day in which the medal is awarded. The text before number is in english something like " In SSSR's ministry for internal affairs order of the day n.o___ date____ is awarded medal "For Irreproachable Service" ___ class". Regards, Jussi-Pekka Last edited by kameli; 11-30-2003 at 03:26 PM.

05-03-2008, 07:44 AM	#7
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Marc, Thanks so very much for the help here and with the other two threads I posted last night. Your assitance is invaluable to me and I appreciate it greatly. :thumbsup Yet another question: In The Red Book, on page 357 the Pauls show us T1 and T2 KGB medals and they state "Only Type 2 medals have the Roman numerals". Since said book's publishing has there been some clarification on the T1 vs T2 situation? __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

02-24-2005, 12:02 AM	#9
kabanchik Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA USA Age: 71 Posts: 80	Long Service Medals :confused: I have a question for the Forum. I know that before the introduction of the three Medals for Irreproachable Service, existing orders and medals were given for various periods of service. Were there actually set rules or statutes, awarding a specific medal or order for a specific period of service, or were the medals given at random, depending on the political or military stature of the recipient, or upon the whim of the authority issuing the award?

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11-29-2003, 06:23 PM	#1
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Thanks Jussi-Pekka, You are absolutely right. Thinking this was a MVD doc., I did not notice that. BTW, could you please help me to translate the cover, as well as the names and content (if it is not too much to ask :D ). In advance, many thanks. Cheers. Ch.

11-29-2003, 09:38 PM	#2
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Christophe, If the reason for posting those medals was to ask for opinions on their authenticity, I think you are safe, because they never get faked, except for some KGB and MOOP variations. Alexei

11-30-2003, 03:23 PM	#4
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Is there some existing statistics about the number of these medals (MoD, MVD, MOOP, KGB...) awarded ? Ch.

05-03-2008, 02:50 AM	#6
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Eric, You should weigh your medals. If silver, it should be 4~5 g heavier than non-silver (from memory, Ag~21g, CuNi~16g). Armed forces long-service medals are the most common variation. Anything else is scarce, therefore... more expensive. True KGB long-service awards have roman numerals (X, XV, XX) on the front; if there is no roman numeral, regardless of what the seller tells you, they are not KGB. Marc

02-24-2005, 04:35 AM	#10
Chuck In Oregon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 209	That is an interesting and relevant question. I have several very-low-issue service badges awarded to various early -- and I stress early, as in mid-1920s to mid-1930s, before institutional reforms like the Irreproachable Service theme -- Soviet Georgian officials. I believe that these service badges were designed and struck by/for their various agencies without any known official approval or sanction other than the agency head. For instance, I have a very striking 1926 5-Year Service badge of the Georgian People's Militia in silver, gold and black enamel, a 1931 silver and gold 10-Year Service badge from the Georgian Narkomat of Justice and a couple of others that don't show up in common catalogs. Regarding these badges, I think that they were given to honor high-ranking officials rather than simply to anyone who made it alive through five or ten years of service. I have never heard of any statutes regarding these awards and I doubt if any existed. They are beautiful awards, to be sure. Tbilisi was a very famous jewelry and art center for ages, and they were undoubtedly made here. In fact, even Dmitri Kuchkin had a large facility here. As to your exact question, my money would be on "whim" rather than "statute", but I admit that I don't know for sure. Chuck In Oregon Currently, Chuck In Tbilisi

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