Victory. - Page 4

Christophe · 02-24-2007, 10:08 AM

Nice pic, Mark. I'm afraid this is the best we can do... without handling the Order.

Cheers.

Ch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by new world

WOW!

It's the first time I see miniature of Suvorov order!

Such miniatures were made by jewelers and I am sure Suvorov 1st class miniature is certainly custom made. It looks like there's some sort of a loop on the back of small Suvorov to hang it on the ribbon.

William

For your information, there were two miniatures of the Order of Suvorov 1st Class for sale in the Red Auction (San Giorgio 22 Nov; 2008). One was with the righ ribbon, the second with a green plain ribbon. You can see them in page 50 of the paper catalog.
Their lot numbers were :
90 (with the right ribbon) : est. EUR 1.000/1.500. Sold EUR 1.000
91 (with the green ribbon) : est. EUR 200/300. Sold EUR 200

Cheers.

Ch.

Lapa · 01-04-2009, 08:14 AM

Guys,

Monty's Soviet orders were regular screwback issues that were later made into pinbacks. Here are some new pics of both the OoV and OS1.

Marc

Lapa · 01-04-2009, 08:19 AM

And the details of his Order of Suvorov 1st class #133. Sorry about the quality, but that's all I could come up with.
Now, looking at it, and at the visible details from the OoV, I suggest that the later was altered in the same way; unfortunately, I don't have anything to show in support of my position :(

Marc

Christophe · 01-04-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Guys,

Monty's Soviet orders were regular screwback issues that were later made into pinbacks. Here are some new pics of both the OoV and OS1.

Marc

Thanks Marc, for the pics. Interesting to notice that both of them have been displayed with the pin... open. :confused:

Cheers.

Ch.

Lapa · 01-04-2009, 06:55 PM

Christophe,

That may be so as not to have the pin under tension for many years.

Marc

Jeffrey Meffert · 01-04-2009, 07:01 PM

Can you imagine the jeweler being handed the OoV and saying "you want me to do WHAT? Wouldn't it be easier to punch a hole in your tunic?" On the other hand, Monty may have used some royal jeweler responsible for work on the crown jewels to whom this was just another hunk of precious metals and stones.

Lapa · 01-04-2009, 07:45 PM

Most likely so!

medals73 · 04-10-2009, 06:14 PM

As Eisenhower's Victory was screw-back, I see no reason to expect that Montgomery's was not also issued in the same (normal) fashion.

Moreover, I have never seen or heard of an order book with any details of the manufacture of the award. What leads you to expect that? Awards were made the way they were made and were awarded in that fashion. If regulations later changed (for example, the mass shift to ribboned awards, for example), the recipients were left on their own to adapt their decorations.

If foreign recipients wished to mangle them (and many did), that was up to them.

Has anyone ever seen a photo of Montgomery (or. for that matter, Eisenhower) wearing the award? And I mean wearing it for real, not at the bestowal cenemony.

Christophe · 04-11-2009, 04:14 AM

Hi Ed,

The one I posted in post #7 has been taken in the Kremlin on 10 January 1947. The bestowal ceremony of Montgomery took place on 12 June 1945.

Cheers.

Ch;

medals73 · 04-11-2009, 06:09 AM

Yes. But are there any later photos of him wearing it?

The only photos I have seen of Eisenhower's bestowal show him being handed a box.

01-04-2009, 06:55 PM	#35
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? Christophe, That may be so as not to have the pin under tension for many years. Marc

01-04-2009, 07:01 PM	#36
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 68 Posts: 640	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? Can you imagine the jeweler being handed the OoV and saying "you want me to do WHAT? Wouldn't it be easier to punch a hole in your tunic?" On the other hand, Monty may have used some royal jeweler responsible for work on the crown jewels to whom this was just another hunk of precious metals and stones.

01-04-2009, 07:45 PM	#37
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? Most likely so!

04-10-2009, 06:14 PM	#38
medals73 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, most of the time Posts: 2,016	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? As Eisenhower's Victory was screw-back, I see no reason to expect that Montgomery's was not also issued in the same (normal) fashion. Moreover, I have never seen or heard of an order book with any details of the manufacture of the award. What leads you to expect that? Awards were made the way they were made and were awarded in that fashion. If regulations later changed (for example, the mass shift to ribboned awards, for example), the recipients were left on their own to adapt their decorations. If foreign recipients wished to mangle them (and many did), that was up to them. Has anyone ever seen a photo of Montgomery (or. for that matter, Eisenhower) wearing the award? And I mean wearing it for real, not at the bestowal cenemony.

04-11-2009, 04:14 AM	#39
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? Hi Ed, The one I posted in post #7 has been taken in the Kremlin on 10 January 1947. The bestowal ceremony of Montgomery took place on 12 June 1945. Cheers. Ch;

04-11-2009, 06:09 AM	#40
medals73 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, most of the time Posts: 2,016	Re: Monty's Order of Victory : screwback or pin-back version ? Yes. But are there any later photos of him wearing it? The only photos I have seen of Eisenhower's bestowal show him being handed a box.

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