Photograph in Archives

USSR · 02-15-2013, 08:49 PM

Hi all, I have received my research on a group of orders and medals but no photograph of the recipient was included. Is it true that the russian archives have the pictures of the officers but not the NCO's on file?

Thnx!

***CtahhR*** · 02-15-2013, 08:55 PM

It is completely hit and miss.
What you see is what you get (usually).

Auke · 02-16-2013, 09:23 AM

Record cards and award sheets never have photos, only service records and personnel files do, and those were only drawn up for officers. So if the recipient was an officer, you can order his service record for example, which usually (but not always) has a photo.

slava1stclass · 02-16-2013, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auke

Record cards and award sheets never have photos, only service records and personnel files do, and those were only drawn up for officers. So if the recipient was an officer, you can order his service record for example, which usually (but not always) has a photo.

Gents,

Auke is correct. The only exception is the Special Awards Record Card (SARC) maintained for HSUs and Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory. When available, hard copy HSU/FCOG awardee photos are appended to their SARC.

Regards,

slava1stclass

***CtahhR*** · 02-16-2013, 05:07 PM

As I said. Completely hit and miss... The service records of service personnel have had many years to be tampered with and often bits are added and removed, including photographs. A service record I have has all their original hand signed citations for all their awards (like those shown on "The site") and has extremely detailed information on their service, activity and family but is missing and sort of photograph. Usually the best way to find a photograph of a recipient is to purchase a group with identifications. Identifications usually have a photograph in them and sometimes even wearing the awards within the group.
If researching Red Army Soldier Ivan Ivanov (through "the site" or any other way) don't expect to find a series of studio portraits. Often finding the award citation is beyond all efforts.

Auke · 02-16-2013, 05:40 PM

What you are talking about is the personnel file (личное дело). A large number of these, or parts of them, have indeed appeared on the market. Service records (учетно-послужная карточка) are usually untampered with.

Well, with a few exceptions, that is...

02-15-2013, 08:49 PM	#1
USSR Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 95	Photograph in Archives Hi all, I have received my research on a group of orders and medals but no photograph of the recipient was included. Is it true that the russian archives have the pictures of the officers but not the NCO's on file? Thnx!

02-15-2013, 08:55 PM	#2
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Photograph in Archives It is completely hit and miss. What you see is what you get (usually). __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

02-16-2013, 09:23 AM	#3
Auke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 762	Re: Photograph in Archives Record cards and award sheets never have photos, only service records and personnel files do, and those were only drawn up for officers. So if the recipient was an officer, you can order his service record for example, which usually (but not always) has a photo.

02-16-2013, 05:07 PM	#5
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Photograph in Archives As I said. Completely hit and miss... The service records of service personnel have had many years to be tampered with and often bits are added and removed, including photographs. A service record I have has all their original hand signed citations for all their awards (like those shown on "The site") and has extremely detailed information on their service, activity and family but is missing and sort of photograph. Usually the best way to find a photograph of a recipient is to purchase a group with identifications. Identifications usually have a photograph in them and sometimes even wearing the awards within the group. If researching Red Army Soldier Ivan Ivanov (through "the site" or any other way) don't expect to find a series of studio portraits. Often finding the award citation is beyond all efforts. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

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