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Old 08-16-2002, 12:52 PM   #1
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Medal "For The Defence Of Kiev".

Just seen a defence of Kiev medal on Ebay

here is the description:-

34mm Brass Medal on 5 sided suspension complete with ribbon in good condition awarded 180,000 times This is Variation 1 rated R2

I thought this seemed strange so I checked on this site were it is rated as R1 with no variations.

Which is correct?

Obviously Im assuming this website is ;-)

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Old 08-16-2002, 03:16 PM   #2
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Hi Mark
Nice to see another UK member here :)

McDaniel's bible "Comprehensive guide..." says R2, and R3 for the mint mistake with the Capture of Vienna reverse which is classed as variation 2. It goes on to add that it is being faked. I wonder if the mint mistake is being faked? Anyone seen one?

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Old 08-17-2002, 11:57 AM   #3
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Mark,

You are correct :) I should have the mint-mistake variation listed and I will fix that right now.

Regarding rarity, this isn't engraved in stone and I welcome any discussion on changing the rarity grades on any part of the site.

I will post a poll on the Kiev medal regarding rarity.


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Old 09-03-2010, 01:58 AM   #4
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Hello. I have just received this Defense of Kiev document to complement the controversial medal I posted some time ago in the fake-medals forum.
What about its originality? Thanks for your opinions.

Two more scans of the same document, with the "crest-test" :)

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Old 09-03-2010, 09:05 AM   #5
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Re: Kiev Document

No problems here :thumbsup
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:28 AM   #6
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Re: Kiev Document

Here are the scans of the DoK documents that came with the medal I posted in the fakes section: http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...medals-71.html. The booklet looks real enough, but as you all know, I just have to be sure.:)

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Old 09-18-2010, 01:44 AM   #7
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Re: Kiev Document

A most unusual awarding issued in Erevan, Armenia - strange. Could be 100% legit or could have been a real blank document filled out with a real unit stamp (belonging to an Armenian commissariat).
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:02 AM   #8
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Re: Kiev Document

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A most unusual awarding issued in Erevan, Armenia - strange. Could be 100% legit or could have been a real blank document filled out with a real unit stamp (belonging to an Armenian commissariat).
I don't entirely trust the seller and when I was writing up the post I was thinking about the possibility of it being a blank that was filled out later. Since I know from direct experience (:mad:) that this happens, I'm always aware of the possibility.

Here is where I'm stuck though since I cannot tell for sure from the document itself. However, if the medal that I got with it is fake as well, then I will have a good reason to be more concerned. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on the medal I posted (link is above).

Thanks in advance,
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:10 AM   #9
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Re: Kiev Document

Phil, I think the doc is good. I must admit the first time I posted comments on this piece I had it in my head that this doc was for the Kiev city jubilee medal, NOT the Defense of Kiev medal as your piece is.

Since I was not paying attention originally and this is a military awarding for the Defense of Kiev and not the city's jubilee, I feel pretty safe saying it's legitimate.
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Hey, that works for me.:)

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