Ushakov. - Page 3

HuliganRS · 03-04-2004, 04:31 PM

Sold.

Went back to Russia with a few others...

Rusty.

new world · 03-05-2004, 05:00 AM

Looks like this group was sold.

Also, if you check that particular dealer web site - most of top military orders are gone, except for one Khmelnitsky 3rd cl, few Nevsky orders and couple of groups...

William

Christophe · 03-05-2004, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new world

Looks like this group was sold.

Also, if you check that particular dealer web site - most of top military orders are gone, except for one Khmelnitsky 3rd cl, few Nevsky orders and couple of groups...

William

William,

Correct, I noticed it... Any explanation ?

Ch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

Sold.

Went back to Russia with a few others...

Rusty.

Rusty,

What do you mean exactly by "Went back to Russia..." ?

Ch.

HuliganRS · 03-05-2004, 02:56 PM

This particular dealer was at SoS and after a nice conversation he casually mentioned that alot of his high-end items were sold to Russian collectors. Some were sold via a 3rd party to keep the identity of the collector secret.

Rusty.

Christophe · 03-05-2004, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

This particular dealer was at SoS and after a nice conversation he casually mentioned that alot of his high-end items were sold to Russian collectors. Some were sold via a 3rd party to keep the identity of the collector secret.

Rusty.

Many thanks, Rusty.

In your opinion, is it a private collector or could it be an institutional one ?

Ch.

HuliganRS · 03-05-2004, 03:42 PM

IMHO, It's a wealthy person. There are people in Russia that don't put their money in the traditional places. They put it into gold, diamonds, paintings and other such things.

Rusty.

wingco320 · 11-24-2005, 03:42 PM

Hi all,
I'm working on descriptions of Soviet (WW 2) decorations and I came across two diametrically opposing descriptions. Subject: Order of Ushakov.
One description (by H.T. Dorling) has the star of the 1st class made of gold and the medallion in silver, the other (Soviet Military Awards) has this star made of platinum and the medallion in gold. The same discrepancy holds true for the 2nd class.
The obvious question: which is the right one?????
Thanks in advance
Arnold

new world · 11-24-2005, 10:27 PM

Arnold,

1st class of Ushakov order is made of platinum and gold

2nd class is gold and silver.

William

Dolf · 11-25-2005, 02:14 PM

Arnold,

Just adding in detail what is said on the Shishkov and Muzalevsky book "Orders and Medals of the USSR 1918-1991" :

1st Class:

Order base:
Platinium: 25,00gr +/- 0,88gr

Disk:
Gold: 6,792gr +/- 0,238gr
Silver: 0,179gr +/- 0,006gr

Bas-relief of Ushakov:
Gold: 1,758gr +/- 0,114gr

2nd Class:

Order Base:
Gold: 25,365gr +/- 0,80gr
Silver: 0,668gr +/- 0,021gr

Bas-relief of Ushakov:
Silver: 0,999gr +/- 0,092gr

The book also gives the "precious Metal content" of the anchor + the screw + the joint-pins for both Classes, but as your question was about the star and the medallion, I hope this helps.

As you see, the info on the database of the Forum and our experts are always right! ;)

Best,

Dolf

slava1stclass · 03-22-2006, 08:11 AM

To all:

A well-known NYC-area dealer currently has one listed for $76,000.00. Serial # 28.

Regards,

slava1stclass

03-04-2004, 04:31 PM	#21
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Sold. Went back to Russia with a few others... Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

03-05-2004, 02:56 PM	#24
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	This particular dealer was at SoS and after a nice conversation he casually mentioned that alot of his high-end items were sold to Russian collectors. Some were sold via a 3rd party to keep the identity of the collector secret. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

03-05-2004, 03:42 PM	#26
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	IMHO, It's a wealthy person. There are people in Russia that don't put their money in the traditional places. They put it into gold, diamonds, paintings and other such things. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

11-24-2005, 03:42 PM	#27
wingco320 New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Assen, Netherlands Age: 79 Posts: 1	Ushakov Construction Question Hi all, I'm working on descriptions of Soviet (WW 2) decorations and I came across two diametrically opposing descriptions. Subject: Order of Ushakov. One description (by H.T. Dorling) has the star of the 1st class made of gold and the medallion in silver, the other (Soviet Military Awards) has this star made of platinum and the medallion in gold. The same discrepancy holds true for the 2nd class. The obvious question: which is the right one????? Thanks in advance Arnold __________________ It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army. Josef Stalin.

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03-05-2004, 05:00 AM	#22
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Looks like this group was sold. Also, if you check that particular dealer web site - most of top military orders are gone, except for one Khmelnitsky 3rd cl, few Nevsky orders and couple of groups... William

11-24-2005, 10:27 PM	#28
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Arnold, 1st class of Ushakov order is made of platinum and gold 2nd class is gold and silver. William

11-25-2005, 02:14 PM	#29
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Arnold, Just adding in detail what is said on the Shishkov and Muzalevsky book "Orders and Medals of the USSR 1918-1991" : 1st Class: Order base: Platinium: 25,00gr +/- 0,88gr Disk: Gold: 6,792gr +/- 0,238gr Silver: 0,179gr +/- 0,006gr Bas-relief of Ushakov: Gold: 1,758gr +/- 0,114gr 2nd Class: Order Base: Gold: 25,365gr +/- 0,80gr Silver: 0,668gr +/- 0,021gr Bas-relief of Ushakov: Silver: 0,999gr +/- 0,092gr The book also gives the "precious Metal content" of the anchor + the screw + the joint-pins for both Classes, but as your question was about the star and the medallion, I hope this helps. As you see, the info on the database of the Forum and our experts are always right! ;) Best, Dolf

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