Side-arm collection

[roy]

Congratulations on a great side arm collection! :thumbsup I am really impressed with your Nagant revolver, it does not appear to be an arsenal reworked piece. Here is mine, and you will notice the grips and the finish on my Nagant is different, and has bakelite grips compared to your wooden grips.

My TT-33 also is somewhat different. Mine was made in 1947, and is of Soviet manufacture. Notice the difference on the serrations on the slide. I've been told that the Soviets changed the slide serrartions around 1946 or 1947.

Soviet brings up a good point about arms discussions being in the edged weapons forum. Would there be enough interest to have a Soviet/Communist Bloc firearms section?

[HuliganRS]

Roy,

Was your Makarov made in Bulgaria?

The reason I ask is that in the pictures it looks like it has a fixed rear sight.
It is very rare to find a Russian Makarov with fixed rear sight, which would make it a Military Surplus pistol but not that uncommon for a Bulgarian made piece...

Thanks!

Rusty.

[redmedals]

Originally Posted by Soviet

I wish to build up a soldier one day. When I'll have the money, I will buy a WW2 PPsh Sub Machine Gun to go with my mannequin. :)

Bryan
You'll have to double check our Canadian gun laws but I seem to recall someone at the National Gun control registry when I asked about the rules on importing "battlefield found relics" ie spent German and Russian machine gun cartridges that yes I could do that (import spent cartridge cases) but could not import a machine gun even if it was deactivated or in strickly speaking relic condition and unoperable in any way shape or form. As I was not overly concerned at the time with the machine gn just cartridge casings I did not ask the person I spoke to for more clarification on the Machine gun thing.
Ron

[Soviet]

Here is one I have spotted for sale in the UK for £350. They said it is a WWII desactivated PPsh Sub Machine Gun. Because, I know nothing in firearms, you will maybe be able to tell me if this is a post war probably Warsaw Pact made machine gun. :confused:

[HuliganRS]

There should be Russian marking along with the date and the S/N

Rusty.

[Nack]

I cant seem to find the pics of my soviet pistols, but here is another fun soviet item. The M44 carbine. Very cheap to buy and to shoot. Loud as anything, and after a few rounds your shoulder starts to hurt. Gives one new respect for the red army soldiers who used these in battle.

[Nack]

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

There are 2 major types of T33, the ones made prior to the 1946 change and the ones after. Mine was manufactured in 1945 and looks a bit different from later examples. Sadly it's not a WWII production since the grips are not wood. This remains to be seen since I don't have it in my hands yet...

Are you sure about the grips? My Tokarev is dated 1941 and has the black bakelite grips.

[HuliganRS]

Nack,

Yes! WWII production grips were made from wood. the grips may have been replaced later at the Arsenal for military use...

I've never seen original wooden grips though.

Rusty.

[Nack]

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

Nack,

Yes! WWII production grips were made from wood. the grips may have been replaced later at the Arsenal for military use...

I've never seen original wooden grips though.

Rusty.

Interesting. I'm curious--what is your source for that info? I'm not saying that you are wrong, but two things make me wonder. I was under the impression that my Tokarev was a GI bringback (has no import stamps, etc), and thus, it was used in WWII with bakelite grips. Also, the piece shows plenty of wear, and therefore does not appear to be arsenal refinished. :confused:

[roy]

Originally Posted by HuliganRS

Roy,

Was your Makarov made in Bulgaria?

The reason I ask is that in the pictures it looks like it has a fixed rear sight.
It is very rare to find a Russian Makarov with fixed rear sight, which would make it a Military Surplus pistol but not that uncommon for a Bulgarian made piece...

Thanks!

Rusty.

Rusty,

My Makarov is indeed a Soviet fixed sight version. On the photo below, You may be able to make out the logo of the Ishevsk arsenal. (Arrow enclosed within a triangle within a circle.) Actually, this pistol is one of the mismarked Makarovs that were imported, it is stamped made in Bulgaria, but which some Soviet pistols were brought in as well. I'll post my Bulgarian with the circle 10 logo to show the difference. Also, I've taken the liberty to post pictures of two books that collectors of Soviet small arms in my opinion will find very beneficial in their collections.