Suspensions, Ribbons, Ribbon Bars And Order Of Precedence.

[Will]

Yes, the placement of the ribbon after all of the Soviet medals and Orders certainly indicates a foreign award. Unfortunately, I have not been able to identify it, and I was hoping that someone here on the Forum might recognize it.

It is over-sized, which I am presuming accurately reflects the medal ribbon, since it would have been very easy to make the ribbon the same size as the Soviet examples.

Thus far I have looked at ribbons for the socialist governments of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Czechoslovakia, but I have not found it. I also looked at ribbons for France and Great Britain, since it seemed to me that a Cavalier of the Order of Glory might well have received a corresponding decoration from one of the western allies. I know that it is not an American award.

This is frustrating ! :banghead

[PaulR]

Hello,

I bought this awesome uniform(piped trousers and visor included) from a fellow collector. It is for a Medical Officer in the Soviet Army. As you can see, he is very highly decorated, with many orders.

There is one that I cannot ID... It looks like the Victory Over Germany, but it is placed at the bottom of the stack, further down than I would think it should be. To make things more confusing, is that there are two of them. I am fairly certain that the odds of one of them being an OG is pretty much out of the questions.

What do you think that lower orange and black ribbon is?

BTW, I feel that the ribbon bar is original to the tunic as it is embroidered onto a patch of matching brown cloth, which is sewn to the jacket.

[medals73]

25th Anniversary of Victory badge. A fairly common practice.

[PaulR]

Thank you. I do not remember hearing of that badge before. Interesting that it was worn as a ribbon on the service jacket.

Also, I find it very interesting that this man has so many orders, but not a single campaign medal. I know that a couple of the orders(Like maybe the ORB and the OL)must have been for long service, but the rest...

[EricFG]

Yep, the 25th anniversary badge as noted previously. If you look at ribbon bars long enough you'll often see that particular ribbon on the bottom of the bar, or that same ribbon in the same place but at 45º, or even smaller versions of that (St. George/OG/VoG) ribbon. All denoting the same badge.
I would guess, on that jacket, that the CSM and one of the Red Stars are for long service. And possibly either or both of the ORB and Lenin could have been for long service as well.
He might have been newly inducted in 45, just long enough to get the VoG, but didn't make it to the front. But he did spend 40 years in the SAF/reserves and was highly decorated. Not super sexy as far as wartime experience but he has a Lenin; that by itself speaks volumes.
I also like to see the AF vet's medal ribbon. It's not rare but I don't see it a lot and when it's there without the Labor vet's ribbon it probably means they guy was a career military man.
Most of this is semi-informed supposition on my part. I'm sure real experts will blow holes in my theory.

I wonder...were there Guards medical units?

[PaulR]

Thanks for the comments thus far and for the explanation on the 25 year anniversary badge.

As far as the Guards badge is concerned, were doctors not assigned to combatant Guards units, thus allowing for the wear of the badge?

[Auke]

Originally Posted by EricFG

I wonder...were there Guards medical units?

Specialized medical units only existed up to battalion level, but there were quite a few guards medical battalions and cavalry squadrons, and I have found at least one independent guards medical company.

[EricFG]

I thought it was only 25 year's service to get a Lenin at one point?

[CtahhR]

Wasn't that prior to 1958? When the long service awards came in.

[matteti]

Order of Precedence on a Ribbon Bar

Order of Victory (above all the awards, on its own pinback device)
HSU Gold Star (have no ribbon)
HSL Gold Star (have no ribbon)

Order of Lenin
Order of the October Revolution
Order of the Red Banner
Order of Suvorov 1st Class
Order of Ushakov 1st Class
Order of Kutuzov 1st Class
Order of Nakhimov 1st Class
Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky 1st Class
Order of Suvorov 2nd Class
Order of Ushakov 2nd Class
Order of Kutuzov 2nd Class
Order of Nakhimov 2nd Class
Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky 2nd Class
Order of Suvorov 3rd Class
Order of Kutuzov 3rd Class
Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky 3rd Class
Order of Alexander Nevsky
Order of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Order of the Patriotic War 2nd Class
Order of the Red Banner of Labor
Order of the Friendship of Peoples
Order of the Red Star
Order for Service to the Motherland 1st Class
Order for Service to the Motherland 2nd Class
Order for Service to the Motherland 3rd Class
Order of the Badge of Honor
Order for Personal Courage
Order of Glory (1st Class)
Order of Glory (2nd Class)
Order of Glory (3rd Class)
Order of Labor Glory 1st Class
Order of Labor Glory 2nd Class
Order of Labor Glory 3rd Class
Medal for Bravery
Medal of Ushakov
Medal for Combat Service
Medal of Nakhimov
Medal for Valiant Labor
Medal for Distinguished Labor
Medal for 100th Anniversary of Lenin's Birth
Partisan Medal 1st Class
Partisan Medal 2nd Class
Medal for Distinction in Guarding the USSR State Border
Medal for Distinguished Military Service 1st Class
Medal for Distinguished Military Service 2nd Class
Medal for Distinguished Service in Maintaining Public Order
Medal for Bravery in a Fire
Medal for Saving Life From Drowning
Medal for the Defense of Leningrad
Medal for the Defense of Moscow
Medal for the Defense of Odessa
Medal for the Defense of Sevastopol
Medal for the Defense of Stalingrad
Medal for the Defense of Kiev
Medal for the Defense of the Caucasus
Medal for the Defense of the Soviet Polar Region
Medal for Victory over Germany
Medal for the 20th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War
Medal for the 30th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War
Medal for the 40th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War
Medal for Victory over Japan
Medal for the Capture of Budapest
Medal for the Capture of Koenigsberg
Medal for the Capture of Vienna
Medal for the Capture of Berlin
Medal for the Liberation of Belgrade
Medal for the Liberation of Warsaw
Medal for the Liberation of Prague
Medal for Valiant Labor During the Great Patriotic War
Veteran of Labor Medal
Veteran of the Armed Forces Medal
Medal for Strengthening Military Cooperation
Medal for the Restoration of the Black Metallurgical Enterprises
Medal for the Restoration of the Donbass Coal Mines
Medal for the Development of the Virgin Lands
Medal for the Construction of the Baikal-Amur Railroad
Medal for the Development of the Non-Black Earth Region of the RSFSR
Medal for the Development of the Petrochemical Complex of Western Siberia
Medal for the 20th Anniversary of the Workers’ and Peasants’ Red Army
Medal for the 30th Anniversary of the Army and Fleet
Medal for the 40th Anniversary of the Soviet Armed Forces
Medal for the 50th Anniversary of the Soviet Armed Forces
Medal for the 60th Anniversary of the Soviet Armed Forces
Medal for the 70th Anniversary of the Soviet Armed Forces
Medal for the 50th Anniversary of the Soviet Militia
Medal for the 800th Anniversary of Moscow
Medal for the 250th Anniversary of Leningrad
Medal for the 1500th Anniversary of Kiev
Medal for 20 Years of Irreproachable Service
Medal for 15 Years of Irreproachable Service
Medal for 10 Years of Irreproachable Service