Post-GPW award system

***desantnik*** · 01-29-2006, 09:27 AM

Does anyone know about post-GPW awarding system?

Pre-war, for military folks there was the Lenin, RB, RS, BM, and CSM hierarchy, discounting labor awards.

Then, the war introduced the commander awards (Suvorov through Nevsky), Order of Victory, Order of the Patriotic War, the Order of Glory, and Nakhimov and Ushakov medals.

Then, post-war, the Order of Victory and commander awards were granted (i.e. Hungary, Czechoslovakia invasions, Cold War exercises and Brezhnev excesses), as well as the Nakhimov and Ushakov medals. Also post-war they introduced the "crab" and several more badges to presumably cover "holes" in the award system.

I guess my question is why weren't Orders of the Patriotic War and Orders of Glory NOT awarded for post-war actions (I'm not including retroactive awards for deeds/wounding from the GPW), especially if commander awards (i.e. Kutuzov and Nevsky) were granted? I guess the Order of the Patriotic War wasn't awarded due to it's name, but what about the Order of Glory?

Alfred · 01-30-2006, 02:44 PM

Interesting question ...

I am just guessing, why they awarded no Order of Glory for post-war actions.
Maybe, due to political reasons.

In the old tzarist Russia, there where always special awards for normal soldiers. The honorable award for soldiers was the George-cross. The ribbon of the Order of Glory remind of the George-cross.

Maybe it was political not desired, to have awards that could not reached by everyone, or to have awards belonging to special groups. Maybe it was the purpose not to remember on the award system of the tzarist Russia and the social class system of Russia.

But also the highest military Order, "The Order of Victory" was not awarded for post war actions, maybe it was the purpose to connect both awards only with the Great Patriotric War? To make these awards exclusive.

But maybe the answer lies in the Statute of the Order. They changed the Statute for the Order of Glory on 26.02 and 16.12.1947 and on 08.08.1957.

medals73 · 01-30-2006, 03:48 PM

I thought the Order of Glory was awarded for Afghanistan? The OPW was ended, when the GPW ended? Or am I wrong?

***desantnik*** · 01-30-2006, 08:51 PM

The Order of Victory was awarded in 1978 to Brezhnev.

Medals73, welcome to the forum and to the discussion. If you have information on an Order of Glory being awarded during Afghanistan, please share it. I think you may be confusing it with an AFGHAN one? I'm fairly certain there were no post-war awardings EXCEPT "catch up" awards, retroactive for actions during the Great Patriotic War. The same goes for Orders of the Patriotic War.

Alfred - maybe you are right that the reason for no awardings of the Order of Glory is connected with the later regulations. I don't think the Soviet government was "embarrassed' by its ties to the St. George cross. This award was very highly esteemed as being awarded only for combat (i.e. not staff work or long service) and to enlisted men who usually got the shorter end of the stick than officers when it came to awards.

Simon · 02-03-2006, 09:14 AM

Order of Glory was awarded for feats during suppression of 1956 "anti-revolutionary coup" in Hungary.

http://www.mondvor.narod.ru/OSlava.html

HuliganRS · 02-03-2006, 09:43 AM

I read a citation for a Nevsky awarded for the Chech Republic incident...

Rusty.

***desantnik*** · 02-03-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon

Order of Glory was awarded for feats during suppression of 1956 "anti-revolutionary coup" in Hungary.

http://www.mondvor.narod.ru/OSlava.html

Well blow me down, that's interesting. It also emphasizes my question - why/when did they decide not to grant this award and others like OPW any more?

01-29-2006, 09:27 AM	#1
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,338	Post-GPW award system Does anyone know about post-GPW awarding system? Pre-war, for military folks there was the Lenin, RB, RS, BM, and CSM hierarchy, discounting labor awards. Then, the war introduced the commander awards (Suvorov through Nevsky), Order of Victory, Order of the Patriotic War, the Order of Glory, and Nakhimov and Ushakov medals. Then, post-war, the Order of Victory and commander awards were granted (i.e. Hungary, Czechoslovakia invasions, Cold War exercises and Brezhnev excesses), as well as the Nakhimov and Ushakov medals. Also post-war they introduced the "crab" and several more badges to presumably cover "holes" in the award system. I guess my question is why weren't Orders of the Patriotic War and Orders of Glory NOT awarded for post-war actions (I'm not including retroactive awards for deeds/wounding from the GPW), especially if commander awards (i.e. Kutuzov and Nevsky) were granted? I guess the Order of the Patriotic War wasn't awarded due to it's name, but what about the Order of Glory?

02-03-2006, 09:43 AM	#6
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I read a citation for a Nevsky awarded for the Chech Republic incident... Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

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Alfred Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany, Cologne Posts: 626	Interesting question ... I am just guessing, why they awarded no Order of Glory for post-war actions. Maybe, due to political reasons. In the old tzarist Russia, there where always special awards for normal soldiers. The honorable award for soldiers was the George-cross. The ribbon of the Order of Glory remind of the George-cross. Maybe it was political not desired, to have awards that could not reached by everyone, or to have awards belonging to special groups. Maybe it was the purpose not to remember on the award system of the tzarist Russia and the social class system of Russia. But also the highest military Order, "The Order of Victory" was not awarded for post war actions, maybe it was the purpose to connect both awards only with the Great Patriotric War? To make these awards exclusive. But maybe the answer lies in the Statute of the Order. They changed the Statute for the Order of Glory on 26.02 and 16.12.1947 and on 08.08.1957.

01-30-2006, 03:48 PM	#3
medals73 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, most of the time Posts: 2,016	I thought the Order of Glory was awarded for Afghanistan? The OPW was ended, when the GPW ended? Or am I wrong?

01-30-2006, 08:51 PM	#4
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,338	The Order of Victory was awarded in 1978 to Brezhnev. Medals73, welcome to the forum and to the discussion. If you have information on an Order of Glory being awarded during Afghanistan, please share it. I think you may be confusing it with an AFGHAN one? I'm fairly certain there were no post-war awardings EXCEPT "catch up" awards, retroactive for actions during the Great Patriotic War. The same goes for Orders of the Patriotic War. Alfred - maybe you are right that the reason for no awardings of the Order of Glory is connected with the later regulations. I don't think the Soviet government was "embarrassed' by its ties to the St. George cross. This award was very highly esteemed as being awarded only for combat (i.e. not staff work or long service) and to enlisted men who usually got the shorter end of the stick than officers when it came to awards.

02-03-2006, 09:14 AM	#5
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 173	Order of Glory was awarded for feats during suppression of 1956 "anti-revolutionary coup" in Hungary. http://www.mondvor.narod.ru/OSlava.html

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