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Old 08-02-2003, 07:27 AM   #1
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Jubilee Medal "40 Years Of The Armed Forces Of The U.S.S.R.".

I have several groups that appear to be fairly complete and original to the awardee...specifically to include post WW2 issues jubilee and anniversary issue medals. On that point, several groups of mine are ALMOST complete, but are missing one medal - the 40th Anniv. of Armed Forces medal. I know this medal is a common award, I just find it an odd coincidence to see it missing from so many groups I have seen, or purchased.... the 30th anniv. will there, and 50th, etc.. I wonder if there was a distribution problem with the 40th Anniv. of Armed Forces medal?
This makes me curious about how the overall distribution of jubilee medals worked. I wonder how the medals made it to the veterans well after the war, when veterans could be retired and living in some obscure villages all over the former USSR? I wonder who was tasked with the challenge of finding the vets?

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Old 08-02-2003, 08:31 AM   #2
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Dan-

I am just going off of memory here, but as I recall, the 40th Anniversary medal was only given to those personnel on active duty... Thus, discharged veterans, reservists and retirees didn't get the award.

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Old 08-02-2003, 12:29 PM   #3
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Dave..
Interesting point if you are correct, because I would think that would apply to follow-on anniv. medals as well...
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Old 08-02-2003, 12:48 PM   #4
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Confirmed my thought... The 30 and 40 Years medals were awarded only to those personnel on active duty (with the exception of conscripts). The 50, 60, and 70 Years medals were awarded to all military personnel, plus retirees and veterans of the Patriotic War.

Thus the reason that the 40 Years medal is one that is actually relatively difficult to find (in comparison to the other jubilee awards!)

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Old 08-02-2003, 01:22 PM   #5
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Dave..
OUTSTANDING note... (and a quick response I might add!!! :D

I did not know that point...but it makes sense. It is interesting that the opened these awards up to all (including vets) with the 50th Anniv.

Thanks for sharing that info! Dan
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Old 08-04-2003, 01:18 PM   #6
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Distribution of Jubilee medals

"This makes me curious about how the overall distribution of jubilee medals worked. I wonder how the medals made it to the veterans well after the war, when veterans could be retired and living in some obscure villages all over the former USSR? I wonder who was tasked with the challenge of finding the vets?"

This point in Dan's post has not been yet answered... Has anyone any idea on it ? Or where to find information about it ?

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Old 08-04-2003, 05:34 PM   #7
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I think all was devoted to a thing extremly typical of teh soviet system: a HUUUGE administration. If we look at the booklets, the administration was decentralized to local points, to local military office: ex very common, a card of mine issued by the military kommissariat of the Malinovskii raion rayon, or district) of the city of Odessa : malinovskii voiennii kommissariat gorod odessi, or abbreviated near the seal, malinovskii raivoienkom. Very often signed by the chief, a colonel. A pure piece of military administration. So it explains also the many errors in cards, the depreciation in the 80' in hand-writting style and ink, stamps...

it explains also why some vet were granted their deco sometimes 30 years after the war (I got two pieces like that), the times the veteran administration considers the lists, the decrees, a change in the attribution in awhole unit, a re-appreciation of a decree or of a battle, maybe the demand of the vet himself or from a veteran local comitee...see also the HSU granted in the 90'...the administration shloud run at different levels, up to a special service near the soviet supreme.
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Old 08-05-2003, 03:00 AM   #8
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Official state awards, such as jubilee medals, should have been distributed to veterans by the Raivoenkoms or regional military commissariats (raionniy voenniy kommisariat).

This was the huge administration which charlet writes of.

This was a problematic organzation. It had many tasks and few resources.

It most important tasks were draft/consciption related: to register conscripts for the draft, to screen them (for health, crime, loyalty and capability), to administer the actual draft call up, to maintain records of demobilized soldiers and to carry out supplemental call-ups for training or emergency.

Raivoenkoms also had to oversee the pre-military training program, find the teachers, ensure that schools and factories were carrying training out properly, distribute and control equipment, etc.

Handing out awards came at the bottom of their list.

Unfortunately, the Raiveonkoms were understaffed. hey had a handful of full-time staff - sually retired offiers and several othe4r retired military personnel as part-timers. They receved help on the actual draft matters from officers in the local military units.

So the possibility for lost or delayed or screwed up awards is high.

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Charlet, Shawn,

Thanks for you very detailed, accurate and interesting answers.
This also contribute to a thread I posted to get an explanation about how it is possible for documents to be awarded / issued without either a stamp, or a signature...
This also contributes to reassure - as in many cases discussed throughout the Forum - that "uncomplete" docs are genuine, and more a curiosity than a fake, or attempt of fake...
This is my opinion, fully compatible with the situation of "varieties" in philatelics, in postage stamps collecting (what I did when I was younger...).
What is surprising somewhere, is that - even if there evidently was not any "end / final quality control" in the Administration - they let "uncomplete" documents be distributed.
But, maybe, something to see with possible "sanctions" for a badly done task... ?

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thanks!

Thanks to ALL for the replies to this thread! I greatly appreciate the insight on the distribution process...and have a greater appreciation for the task and potential errors in documentation... Dan :D
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