Screwplates

[EricFG]

Originally Posted by Lapa

Eric, It is not lack of interest, but the quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure that the order and the screwplate were originally "joined for better and for worst" at MD. Marc

That's very true. Marsino and I are simply trying to establish some very general variations of screwplates.
I'm hoping that if we can garner enough images we might be able to guess at what screwplate variation might go with a certain timeframe or factory....
Who knows; we might just decide to publish the results in The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Screwback Plates © :chuckle Here's your chance to get in at the ground floor. :p

[Lapa]

Eric,

Then, you need to remember that screwplates are not as interchangeable as they may seem, and that some orders had their specific types of screwplates...

Marc

[progress]

Dear Lapa,
Rocketscientist's GPW is numbered 871324. It has been produced in 1945 (8/17/1945 according with Filer's classification). You wrote it has the correct screwplate ( your post #330, screwplate shown in post #308, Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class). In this thread you are writing:"
Eric,
It is not lack of interest, but the quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure that the order and the screwplate were originally "joined for better and for worst" at MD."
What is your correct answer?
You seemed very sure about your first deduction in the other thread but now we read "...quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure..."
What is the correct sentence?
Some forum members have judged orders, medals and badges for years. "Okay!" or " fake!" for years. Now we "discover" they are not able to judge a simple screwplate. What would happen if they should classify badges' screwplates?
Don't worry, no one asks to you to be a fakir, a wizard (we do not need a bed of nails). No matter if a screwplate is replaced or born with the order. A serious collector needs to have the correct screwplate type (and variation) for a genuine order.

Dear EricFG,
"The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Screwback Plates" :chuckle... good sentence! But "your book" would be outdated, these problems have been solved some time ago...

Regards,
progress

[Auke]

I agree with "progress" here: doesn't the list in post #5 answer all of your questions?

Eric, only the first two screwplates from post #14 are correct.

[CtahhR]

Back to the subject of screwplates although not dates;
I have (and have seen more) screwplates that have two holes drilling into them parallel. Is this recipient modification to sew the screwplate into place on the vestment so it does not unscrew itself with friction?

[marsino]

On guys, you are constructive, and take some information and image. :p

But we could at least know in that period was introduced this type?

[Auke]

Around 1959-1960, I think.

[EricFG]

Originally Posted by progress

Dear Lapa, Rocketscientist's GPW is numbered 871324. It has been produced in 1945 (8/17/1945 according with Filer's classification). You wrote it has the correct screwplate ( your post #330, screwplate shown in post #308, Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 2nd Class).

What???? Link to the thread, please as I have no idea what you are talking about here unless this is another censored thread.

In this thread you are writing:"Eric,It is not lack of interest, but the quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure that the order and the screwplate were originally "joined for better and for worst" at MD." What is your correct answer?
You seemed very sure about your first deduction in the other thread but now we read "...quasi-impossibility to acertain for sure..."
What is the correct sentence? Some forum members have judged orders, medals and badges for years. "Okay!" or " fake!" for years. Now we "discover" they are not able to judge a simple screwplate. What would happen if they should classify badges' screwplates? Don't worry, no one asks to you to be a fakir, a wizard (we do not need a bed of nails). No matter if a screwplate is replaced or born with the order. A serious collector needs to have the correct screwplate type (and variation) for a genuine order.

Easy, progress. No need to be harsh. Lapa is one of the best contributors here. Do I always agree with him? Almost always, yes. But sometimes not. Do I call him out in harsh terms when I do not agree? No. When I do not agree with his opinion I continue to post, in a repsectful manner, and try prove my point as to why I see otherwise, hence my continuing posting screwplate images here. progress, I know you have a lot of knowledge in this field and I really want to see more posts from you. If I may, please tone down the rhetoric and turn up the proof, as it were. If you have specific knowledge about Soviet screwback plates please, please add it here. I look forward to everything you can add.

Dear EricFG, "The Comprehensive Guide to Soviet Screwback Plates" :chuckle... good sentence! But "your book" would be outdated, these problems have been solved some time ago...

Again, please be so kind as to explain or show me some examples! I do my best to learn. I've looked through the Faleristika forum, the best, in my limited experience, of Russian language forums and could not find any thread that dealt with screwplates. Heck, I don't even know what the Russian term for "screwplate" is. What I do know is is that there are at the very least two serious collectors on this planet, Marsino and myself, who want to find out more about screwplates. Would you be willing to help?

Originally Posted by Auke

I agree with "progress" here: doesn't the list in post #5 answer all of your questions?

The list in post 5 is a jumble of poorly translated words and it makes no sense to me. My best guess is that is has something to do with only OGPW plates

Eric, only the first two screwplates from post #14 are correct.

That was my guess as well, thanks, Auke! :thumbsup

[marsino]

Well Eric, we insist to ask for cooperation. forgot to put an explanation important, on the post 5 http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...tml#post204169

ОВ = Отечественной войны (OGPW)
КЗ = Красного Знамени (ORB) + Красной Звезды (ORS)

[Lapa]

Marsino,

You are right for ОВ, but КЗ refers only to the ORS. The ORB is abbreviated БКЗ.

Marc