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Old 03-06-2013, 09:31 AM   #1
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Bogus Double Glory Group

Gents,

Currently on the well-known auction site. I'll let the forum's experts speak to the orders'/medals' authenticity. The group as a whole is contrived. The photo in the Ordenskaya Knizhka is that of a documented Full Cavalier of the Order of Glory who was an aviator and not an infantryman. He is not the person whose name appears on the OK.

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Old 03-06-2013, 09:34 AM   #2
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Continued.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:35 AM   #3
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Final images.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:13 AM   #4
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Re: Bogus Double Slava Group

The glories themselves, as well as the other pieces as can be told from the pics look legitimate. As mentioned, the set is assembled from individual decorations and the entries in the book are bogus.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:29 PM   #5
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Re: Bogus Double Slava Group

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The glories themselves, as well as the other pieces as can be told from the pics look legitimate. As mentioned, the set is assembled from individual decorations and the entries in the book are bogus.
Are you confident about the glory 2nd?
It has heavy wear traces on the obverse and still the gold plating intact... above it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:12 PM   #6
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Are you confident about the glory 2nd?
It has heavy wear traces on the obverse and still the gold plating intact... above it.
Yeah, good point, I was just looking at the reverse style of engraving of serial-number. I'm still convinced the base piece is good, but as you've pointed out it does look re-gold-plated.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:47 PM   #7
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Re: Bogus Double Slava Group

Guys,

The glory 2 is a painted third class, and as Paul mentioned, the order booklet was washed and filled to order.

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Re: Bogus Double Slava Group

Was the gold plating applied before or after enameling on legitimate pieces?

The gold seems to be splattered all over the banner and star.

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Old 07-28-2013, 03:27 PM   #9
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Gents,

I also have my suspicions with this "group." It sold for $898.00 on the well-known auction site within the past few days. That Glory II sure looks thick to me. I'm including the docs to assist in your forensics.

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Old 07-28-2013, 03:29 PM   #10
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