When did fakes get started?

Gunnett · 01-19-2003, 08:26 PM

I picked up a lot of CCCP badges from 1990 to early 1993. I'm wondering, when did fakes start hitting the market? I don't have any high dollar stuff.

Nota Bene · 01-19-2003, 10:57 PM

Gunnett,

The fakes started appearing in the US longe before genuine Soviet items. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to help you.

Alexei

otlichnik · 01-20-2003, 05:32 AM

The first items of "Soviet" militaria I ever bought were purchased in West Germany in 1986 - a pair of VDV (airborne) sleeve patches and a red star cap badge. Both were Western-made fakes and I knew this even then - they were the exact same construction as the western items. I bought the sleeve patches for the equivalent of about $4. At that time you could sell an original pair of Soviet VDV sleeve patches for at least $50 if not $100.

Shawn

Nota Bene · 01-20-2003, 12:41 PM

Shawn,

Do you still have them? Would love to see some scans.

If anyone else has any old Western or Soviet made fakes please post them here. I think it would be interesting.

Alexei

otlichnik · 01-21-2003, 02:44 AM

Sorry Alexei they are gone long ago.

They were very much like the original in design but totally different in construction - embroidered cloth.

You'll laugh about what I did with it though. I sewed the pair onto a set of "Red Dawn" pseudo-VDV coveralls (they looked good at the time) and I used to wear them to paintball/splatball games along with a brown Chinese civilian ushanka with that fake red star cap badge on it cap badge.

Shawn

Nota Bene · 01-21-2003, 11:30 AM

Shawn,

Yeah, I know the type. They are much like early "Soviet" KGB patches. Did you actually put two on the same coveralls?

Alexei

otlichnik · 01-22-2003, 03:36 AM

Yes. ;)

We all know that VDV wore two patches, especially on their camoflage firld uniform!!! At least that's what I "knew" then! ;)

I wish I knew where the photo of me wearing this kit was!

Shawn

k3rvmfusa · 03-21-2003, 11:01 PM

I was in Moscow from 1992 - 1994. There were some fakes out as early as 1992. From my experience, the faked orders/medals were the harder to obtain items: Gold Star medal (always advertised as a "wearer's copy", the Order of Lenin, the Partisan medals, the Nakhimov medal, the borderguard medal, and Tsarist medals/orders. Of course, the "polkovodets" orders -- Suvorov, Kutuzov, etc. were available as fakes as well.

01-19-2003, 08:26 PM	#1
Gunnett New Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Papillion, Ne Age: 63 Posts: 9	When did fakes get started? I picked up a lot of CCCP badges from 1990 to early 1993. I'm wondering, when did fakes start hitting the market? I don't have any high dollar stuff.

03-21-2003, 11:01 PM	#8
k3rvmfusa Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 80	Fakes I was in Moscow from 1992 - 1994. There were some fakes out as early as 1992. From my experience, the faked orders/medals were the harder to obtain items: Gold Star medal (always advertised as a "wearer's copy", the Order of Lenin, the Partisan medals, the Nakhimov medal, the borderguard medal, and Tsarist medals/orders. Of course, the "polkovodets" orders -- Suvorov, Kutuzov, etc. were available as fakes as well.

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01-19-2003, 10:57 PM	#2
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Gunnett, The fakes started appearing in the US longe before genuine Soviet items. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to help you. Alexei

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otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	The first items of "Soviet" militaria I ever bought were purchased in West Germany in 1986 - a pair of VDV (airborne) sleeve patches and a red star cap badge. Both were Western-made fakes and I knew this even then - they were the exact same construction as the western items. I bought the sleeve patches for the equivalent of about $4. At that time you could sell an original pair of Soviet VDV sleeve patches for at least $50 if not $100. Shawn

01-20-2003, 12:41 PM	#4
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Shawn, Do you still have them? Would love to see some scans. If anyone else has any old Western or Soviet made fakes please post them here. I think it would be interesting. Alexei

01-21-2003, 02:44 AM	#5
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Sorry Alexei they are gone long ago. They were very much like the original in design but totally different in construction - embroidered cloth. You'll laugh about what I did with it though. I sewed the pair onto a set of "Red Dawn" pseudo-VDV coveralls (they looked good at the time) and I used to wear them to paintball/splatball games along with a brown Chinese civilian ushanka with that fake red star cap badge on it cap badge. Shawn

01-21-2003, 11:30 AM	#6
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Shawn, Yeah, I know the type. They are much like early "Soviet" KGB patches. Did you actually put two on the same coveralls? Alexei

01-22-2003, 03:36 AM	#7
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Yes. ;) We all know that VDV wore two patches, especially on their camoflage firld uniform!!! At least that's what I "knew" then! ;) I wish I knew where the photo of me wearing this kit was! Shawn

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