FRAUD Alert! - Page 5

Henry Sakaida · 12-06-2003, 04:39 PM

You can avoid getting scammed if you follow this advice:

1. Never buy anything from a stranger overseas unless you are
willing to gamble.

2. Don't buy anything on ebay unless you are willing to gamble.
If you gamble and loose, just consider it a costly lesson which
you did NOT have to pay for.

3. Stick with the reputable dealers here in the U.S. and amongst
collectors you know.

Maybe it is not a good idea to post scammer's names on this website. I wouldn't want anyone to get threatened or hurt over this. It isn't worth it. But the Soviet orders and medals collector circle is small here and word does get around.
If you follow my advice and use your common sense, I think you will do well.

Dolf · 12-06-2003, 05:33 PM

Henry,

Thanks a lot for your wise advice, I believe it's most valuable.

Nevertheless, not all of us live "here in the U.S."...
So for collectors living overseas (from the American perspective), in Europe for example, when ordering from a U.S. dealer, they are buying from a dealer overseas (from the European perspective).

And when doing it for the first time, they are buying from a stranger!

Look at my case: I live in Portugal, so when I first ordered from a U.S. dealer I couldn't know how serious he was!
Fortunatelly I was lucky, very lucky indeed, as the dealer I've bought all my (few) Awards from so far, is our dearest Nota Bene, so as we all know I couldn't have been luckier!
But I could have ordered from someone else (and I've already seen some fakes for sale on E, suggested by U.S. sellers, and from other Western Countries as the UK, for example!), so the all thing always contain some risk...

The day that for some reason I'll order from some other dealer for the first time, again I'll bee uncertain as long as I don't receive my Award(s) in perfect condition, whether this dealer is from overseas (U.S., U.K.) or not...

But back to the original subject, I still think that the names of those obvious dishonest sellers should be listed here for us to know who we should avoid at all costs.

Cheers,

Dolf

Tretov · 12-06-2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry Sakaida
You can avoid getting scammed if you follow this advice:

1. Never buy anything from a stranger overseas unless you are
willing to gamble.

2. Don't buy anything on ebay unless you are willing to gamble.
If you gamble and loose, just consider it a costly lesson which
you did NOT have to pay for.

3. Stick with the reputable dealers here in the U.S. and amongst
collectors you know.

Maybe it is not a good idea to post scammer's names on this website. I wouldn't want anyone to get threatened or hurt over this. It isn't worth it. But the Soviet orders and medals collector circle is small here and word does get around.
If you follow my advice and use your common sense, I think you will do well.

Generally OK - but we are not all americans. By telling people (visitors of this forum by posting here) not to buy from "overseas" many honest people in Europe may loose their customers. Plus, I am already sick and tired of sellers in the USA that are obvisusly afraid of anything that is out of the '50 states' and refuse to sell to people abroad.

About eBay - if I had done the business with mr Latvian Fraud through eBay then I would at least have gotten some money back by their Safe-Harbour program.

/Patrik

Dolf · 12-06-2003, 06:13 PM

Patrik,

I know what you mean and in the overall I agree with you.
As I say on my previous post not all dishonest sellers are located "overseas" (from the U.S. perspective) !...
All we have to do is to check evry U.S. seller selling Soviet Awards on E... How many fakes are we gonna find? How many complaints by unsatitisfied customers?... At least a few, which is already too much!

Cheers,

Dolf

Henry Sakaida · 12-06-2003, 06:42 PM

My apologies to you Patrik and to our good collector members overseas. I did not mean to offend anyone. I would assume that it would be safe to do business with those members on this board.
The more I comment, the more I stick my foot in my mouth! I guess everyone is on their own. Just use good common sense.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

Dolf · 12-06-2003, 07:03 PM

Henry,

As far as I'm concerned no offense at all taken, you just forgot that not all of us live in the U.S. and I just tried to remember you that. No big deal, as anyway I perfectly understood what was your point.

I've also sent you a PM, with questions that shouldn't be posted openly, please let me know what you think of that.
Thanks.

Regards,

Dolf

12-06-2003, 05:33 PM	#2
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Buying from a stranger overseas Henry, Thanks a lot for your wise advice, I believe it's most valuable. Nevertheless, not all of us live "here in the U.S."... So for collectors living overseas (from the American perspective), in Europe for example, when ordering from a U.S. dealer, they are buying from a dealer overseas (from the European perspective). And when doing it for the first time, they are buying from a stranger! Look at my case: I live in Portugal, so when I first ordered from a U.S. dealer I couldn't know how serious he was! Fortunatelly I was lucky, very lucky indeed, as the dealer I've bought all my (few) Awards from so far, is our dearest Nota Bene, so as we all know I couldn't have been luckier! But I could have ordered from someone else (and I've already seen some fakes for sale on E, suggested by U.S. sellers, and from other Western Countries as the UK, for example!), so the all thing always contain some risk... The day that for some reason I'll order from some other dealer for the first time, again I'll bee uncertain as long as I don't receive my Award(s) in perfect condition, whether this dealer is from overseas (U.S., U.K.) or not... But back to the original subject, I still think that the names of those obvious dishonest sellers should be listed here for us to know who we should avoid at all costs. Cheers, Dolf

12-06-2003, 04:39 PM	#1
Henry Sakaida Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 92	You can avoid getting scammed if you follow this advice: 1. Never buy anything from a stranger overseas unless you are willing to gamble. 2. Don't buy anything on ebay unless you are willing to gamble. If you gamble and loose, just consider it a costly lesson which you did NOT have to pay for. 3. Stick with the reputable dealers here in the U.S. and amongst collectors you know. Maybe it is not a good idea to post scammer's names on this website. I wouldn't want anyone to get threatened or hurt over this. It isn't worth it. But the Soviet orders and medals collector circle is small here and word does get around. If you follow my advice and use your common sense, I think you will do well.

12-06-2003, 06:13 PM	#4
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Patrik, I know what you mean and in the overall I agree with you. As I say on my previous post not all dishonest sellers are located "overseas" (from the U.S. perspective) !... All we have to do is to check evry U.S. seller selling Soviet Awards on E... How many fakes are we gonna find? How many complaints by unsatitisfied customers?... At least a few, which is already too much! Cheers, Dolf

12-06-2003, 06:42 PM	#5
Henry Sakaida Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 92	My apologies to you Patrik and to our good collector members overseas. I did not mean to offend anyone. I would assume that it would be safe to do business with those members on this board. The more I comment, the more I stick my foot in my mouth! I guess everyone is on their own. Just use good common sense. Sorry if I offended anyone.

12-06-2003, 07:03 PM	#6
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Henry, As far as I'm concerned no offense at all taken, you just forgot that not all of us live in the U.S. and I just tried to remember you that. No big deal, as anyway I perfectly understood what was your point. I've also sent you a PM, with questions that shouldn't be posted openly, please let me know what you think of that. Thanks. Regards, Dolf

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