How fake are these?

EricFG · 09-02-2008, 04:52 PM

These 3 paper items I finally received 6 weeks after I won them on eBay.
Considering the sellers track record (that I did not know about when I bid on them) I'm sure these are all totally fake-o-rama. :mad: :(
Anyone care to make a comment?

Here's item number one:

EricFG · 09-02-2008, 04:53 PM

And here is #2

EricFG · 09-02-2008, 04:54 PM

And the turd, I mean third.

ANZAC · 09-02-2008, 05:05 PM

On the first one with the pic it appears that the stamp is under the photo which likely means the photo is an add on. Not unusual since we know who the seller is:(

Brendan

EricFG · 09-02-2008, 05:13 PM

Brendanovsky,
First, I must say I was totally shocked to see these in the mailbox; thought they were gone gone gone.

As far as the stamp goes: holding it in my hand I can just barely, if I squint real hard, see just a bit of purple stamp ink on two of the borders of the photo. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.....

But yeah, considering who the turd, I mean seller was/is....

I have a street address in Kiev if you wanna meet me at the coffee shop around the corner there some day in the near future.:chuckle

ANZAC · 09-02-2008, 05:16 PM

Eric, I also think the stamp is the same one with the weird tear drop that was on mine, and the stamp is fake.

Coffee in Kiev, hmmmm, sounds good;)

Brendan

Lapa · 09-03-2008, 05:11 AM

Eric,

I believe that the paper is original ;)

Now, seriously, let's review each of them individually:
. 1st doc: the doc itself and the entries are genuine, I tend to think that the picture was added
. 2nd doc: now, that one is a strange bird. I believe that it is actually 2 documents (or rather part thereof) that got into some sort of Frankeinstein-ish union: a membership booklet of the Red Aid (the Soviet version of the Red Cross), and an ID of completion of military duty. Now, both are named to the same person, so it may be conceivable that the recipient "joined" them himself, for better and for worse...
. 3rd doc: that one is most likely original too - a certificate of completion of some sort of medical course, giving the person the qualification of "Health Feldsher" :confused: One strange thing about this one nevertheless is that the cover is printed in (possibly) Hungarian, and as such would definitely not be original to the inside pages, given that the school in question was in Sverdlovsk (today Ekaterinburg)
Oh, one last point, these documents were issued to 3 different persons.

Marc

EricFG · 09-03-2008, 06:36 AM

Thank you very much Marc. Again.

I see now how the second book has been put together. There's actually a piece of writing paper folded up in it as well. When I get home from work I'll try and post a few better images.
Might be interesting if nothing else.

EricFG · 09-03-2008, 06:06 PM

Here's a bit more of the second book. It seems this bit, on lined paper (or rather graph paper as it has vertical lines as well) has been lightly glued into the "Red Aid" cover. It's got a blurry stamp on it as well.

EricFG · 09-03-2008, 06:18 PM

And this seems to be the headline of the piece of paper. I wonder if it is readable?

Marc said:
> a membership booklet of the Red Aid (the Soviet version of the Red Cross),

This is interesting as well. After my inital post I saw that the cover said:
"ROTE HILFE" - German language for 'Red Help'
"SECOURS ROUGE" - French language for something similar
"RED AID" - in (obviously) English

Near the bottom there is a large area with the following block letters (that I can't translate):
М О П Р

09-02-2008, 05:05 PM	#4
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: How fake are these? On the first one with the pic it appears that the stamp is under the photo which likely means the photo is an add on. Not unusual since we know who the seller is:( Brendan __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

09-02-2008, 05:13 PM	#5
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: How fake are these? Brendanovsky, First, I must say I was totally shocked to see these in the mailbox; thought they were gone gone gone. As far as the stamp goes: holding it in my hand I can just barely, if I squint real hard, see just a bit of purple stamp ink on two of the borders of the photo. Maybe it's just wishful thinking..... But yeah, considering who the turd, I mean seller was/is.... I have a street address in Kiev if you wanna meet me at the coffee shop around the corner there some day in the near future.:chuckle __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

09-02-2008, 05:16 PM	#6
ANZAC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 59 Posts: 343	Re: How fake are these? Eric, I also think the stamp is the same one with the weird tear drop that was on mine, and the stamp is fake. Coffee in Kiev, hmmmm, sounds good;) Brendan __________________ "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945

09-03-2008, 05:11 AM	#7
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: How fake are these? Eric, I believe that the paper is original ;) Now, seriously, let's review each of them individually: . 1st doc: the doc itself and the entries are genuine, I tend to think that the picture was added . 2nd doc: now, that one is a strange bird. I believe that it is actually 2 documents (or rather part thereof) that got into some sort of Frankeinstein-ish union: a membership booklet of the Red Aid (the Soviet version of the Red Cross), and an ID of completion of military duty. Now, both are named to the same person, so it may be conceivable that the recipient "joined" them himself, for better and for worse... . 3rd doc: that one is most likely original too - a certificate of completion of some sort of medical course, giving the person the qualification of "Health Feldsher" :confused: One strange thing about this one nevertheless is that the cover is printed in (possibly) Hungarian, and as such would definitely not be original to the inside pages, given that the school in question was in Sverdlovsk (today Ekaterinburg) Oh, one last point, these documents were issued to 3 different persons. Marc

09-03-2008, 06:36 AM	#8
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: How fake are these? Thank you very much Marc. Again. I see now how the second book has been put together. There's actually a piece of writing paper folded up in it as well. When I get home from work I'll try and post a few better images. Might be interesting if nothing else. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

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