Unusual shoulderboards

Al-muell · 02-14-2008, 01:28 PM

I think I have asked about that before, but I cannot find the thread and in addition pics were poor then. But now, since after a long time this boards found a new home in my collection, I ask again:
Is it reissued imperial boards? If so, for hat service? Or is it Soviet non-military?
And what award ribbon served as the backing and attachment stripes?

DougD · 02-14-2008, 04:34 PM

While I'd never stand by it, the gold lace has a Bulgarian look to it; perhaps a forum member with a known set of Bulgarian boards can post here to test that theory.

DougD

RichieC · 02-14-2008, 06:14 PM

What are the dimensions (in MM) of one of these?

Also, please make a high resolution scan of one of them, and crop the image, leaving the area in which I have circled in black. :thumbsup

RichieC · 02-14-2008, 06:16 PM

This would help, now wouldn't it?:

kliment · 02-15-2008, 05:44 AM

Hello,
I don't think it's bulgarian or russian (even for a civil uniform). My guess: a shoulderboard made in an eastern european country with a civilian ribbon for a soviet officer at the end of the war. When I was kid, I ask my grandmother to make me the same uniform as general Orloff, the bad guy in Octopussy. She found , in Brussels in 1983, a golden zig-zag ribbon narrower but almost identical in design to the soviet general officer shoulderboard background, two side by side made a very convincing effect.

Al-muell · 02-15-2008, 08:50 AM

You know, I think that lace is of imperial russian origin. I have once even seen russian epaulets with this or very similar lace for sale on a local flea market quite some time ago.
I also don't think it's bulgarian - from what I know, it came from the former SU. Altough it may be.
As for details - see pic below. Yes, it's a floral motif.

Can anyone say anything about the medal ribbon?

Al-muell · 02-15-2008, 09:16 AM

size: 136mm long and 55mm wide. Fits well between 12 and 14cm...

ekclete · 02-15-2008, 12:05 PM

I have some boards from Estonia and they resemble these boards. I have to try to dig them out and see (and maybe I am way off here) if they compare. When I find them and if they are the same I will post some scans. CLete

Lapa · 02-15-2008, 03:40 PM

Al-muell,

Are the ribbons sewed on the red fabric, or is it all in one piece?

Marc

kliment · 02-16-2008, 01:36 AM

Marc asks an excellent question indeed, because construction of the russian pagony is not so different from the soviet ones; the piping in the middle is part of the golden brocade. On the picture here, two separate golden ribbons seems seewed on a red background. The imperial russian shoulderderboards are not pointed for officers. Materials of the fixation system seems of civilian origin.

02-14-2008, 04:34 PM	#2
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	boards While I'd never stand by it, the gold lace has a Bulgarian look to it; perhaps a forum member with a known set of Bulgarian boards can post here to test that theory. DougD

02-15-2008, 12:05 PM	#8
ekclete Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West St Paul, MN USA Age: 60 Posts: 236	I have some boards from Estonia and they resemble these boards. I have to try to dig them out and see (and maybe I am way off here) if they compare. When I find them and if they are the same I will post some scans. CLete __________________ Thanks, Clete

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02-14-2008, 06:14 PM	#3
RichieC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United States Of America Age: 58 Posts: 223	What are the dimensions (in MM) of one of these? Also, please make a high resolution scan of one of them, and crop the image, leaving the area in which I have circled in black. :thumbsup

02-15-2008, 05:44 AM	#5
kliment Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 111	Hello, I don't think it's bulgarian or russian (even for a civil uniform). My guess: a shoulderboard made in an eastern european country with a civilian ribbon for a soviet officer at the end of the war. When I was kid, I ask my grandmother to make me the same uniform as general Orloff, the bad guy in Octopussy. She found , in Brussels in 1983, a golden zig-zag ribbon narrower but almost identical in design to the soviet general officer shoulderboard background, two side by side made a very convincing effect.

02-15-2008, 09:16 AM	#7
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	size: 136mm long and 55mm wide. Fits well between 12 and 14cm...

02-15-2008, 03:40 PM	#9
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Al-muell, Are the ribbons sewed on the red fabric, or is it all in one piece? Marc

02-16-2008, 01:36 AM	#10
kliment Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 111	Marc asks an excellent question indeed, because construction of the russian pagony is not so different from the soviet ones; the piping in the middle is part of the golden brocade. On the picture here, two separate golden ribbons seems seewed on a red background. The imperial russian shoulderderboards are not pointed for officers. Materials of the fixation system seems of civilian origin.

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