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01-26-2003, 11:11 PM | #1 |
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Dave,
COL Govorov is also on my list. He's definitely not MSU Govorov. As for the lack of LOM authority documentation for Rokossovskiy, Meretskov, Eremenko, Govorov, Vasilevskiy and quite possibly Bagramayan and Malinovskiy, I would think that if I can't find them when I review the WD GOs for 1946, 1947 and possibly 1948, then they were likely awarded via the MMM. I'm not certain where the repository for MMM records resides. The only connection State Department might have in this matter were to be if the MMM was disbanded at some point. The U.S. Defense Attache to Moscow, as the senior military representative to the U.S. Ambassador, would then have been charged with presenting the awards to the officers concerned with the awarding authority being either the WD or the Department of the Army. My information concerning the additional awards of the DSC to Red Army personnel (to include my man) came via MMM GOs whereas the first 20 DSCs to the Russians (including Chuikov's) were via WD GO. If you review pictures of Generals/Marshals taken at the 24 June 1945 Victory Parade in Moscow, you'll see several with the LOM in the degree of Commander wearing the badge pinned to their VP uniforms as you described above for Konev. Once again, great info ref the photographic confirmation. The search for written documentation continues. Regards, slava1stclass Last edited by slava1stclass; 01-27-2003 at 08:29 AM. |
01-30-2003, 01:44 PM | #2 |
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Dear All
can anyone help with the movements of the 297 Rifles Slaviano-Kirovogradskaya Division. I would like to see is they came in contact with the American forces. Kind regards from a very hot South Africa Munroe |
01-31-2003, 07:51 AM | #3 |
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Munroe,
After a quick check of my references, the Division was subordinate to 2nd Ukrainian Front and took part in the Budapest operation. My guess is that the contact with the Americans took place in Czechoslovakia since 2nd Ukrainian Front forces were involved in the final push towards Prague. Hope this helps. Regards, slava1stclass |
02-12-2003, 10:01 PM | #4 |
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Dear Slava1stclass
This is great news and the information will be great to see. Look forward to your posting. It would also be interesting if we could ask members of the fourum to advise what they have in their collections. Thsi might give an idea of what is actually out there in collectors hands. Kind regards Munroe |
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Gentlemen:
If you note on the first pic(edited by mcwirsk) at the right side of the american award there is a star medal. I have seen it on Marshal Zhukov´s inventory and it´s a kind of HSL(it has a kinda hammer and sickle on the middle).Which country awarded it? Esteban
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02-14-2003, 12:48 AM | #6 |
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Dear Esteban
Its a American Bronze star. (BS) This is one of the medals that we have been discussing in this thread. Its awarded for merit or bravery. This one would have been awarded for merit. Kind regards Munroe |
02-15-2003, 10:48 AM | #7 |
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Point of Clarification
Gents,
We're talking two different things here. Munroe's man is in fact wearing the American Bronze Star Medal (BSM). We've confirmed this through War Department General Orders. While admittedly the picture Esteban posted is not the best, it is clearly not the American BSM. While at first glance it may look similar in appearance, we know that MSU Zhukov was never awarded an American BSM. To have done so, would have been a real military protocol slight. MSU Zhukov received the American Legion of Merit in the degree of Chief Commander - a decoration clearly befitting his rank, status and contributions during the war. In my opinion, Esteban's picture resembles the Italian government's military Hero medal which was awarded to several Red Army personnel during World War II. Hope this helps. Regards, slava1stclass |
02-23-2003, 10:03 PM | #8 |
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U.S. Army Decorations Awarded to Red Army Personnel in World War II
The following U.S. Army decorations were awarded to Red Army personnel for heroism or meritorious service in World War II:
Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) - 53 Distinguished Service Medal (DSM) - 20 Silver Star (SS) - 119 Legion of Merit (LM) - 321 By degree: - Chief Commander - 7* - Commander - 35 - Officer - 85 - Legionnaire - 194 Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) - 46 Bronze Star Medal (BSM) - 40** Air Medal (AM) - 8 Notes: *Documentation is available to verify the award to MSU Zhukov. Awards of the LM in the degree of Chief Commander to MSUs Govorov, Meretskov, Rokossovskiy, Vasilevskiy as well as General of the Army Eremenko and Chief Marshal of Aviation Novikov, however, are based solely on photographic evidence. **Information available in an OMSA publication suggests that the number of BSMs awarded to Red Army personnel was higher. This is likely true since many BSMs were awarded at the U.S. Army corps level and below. The number above reflects only those BSMs to Red Army personnel authorized by War Department General Orders. I came across no hard evidence to confirm that either the Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) or Soldiers Medal (SM) was awarded to Red Army personnel. This same OMSA publication, however, indicates that three DFCs and one OLC to the DFC as well as one SM were awarded. Update as of 28 NOV 10 - Thanks to fellow enthusiast Gunner 1 for providing more accurate DFC and AM figures. He has copies of General Orders listing citations for DFCs and AMs that were awarded to Soviet officers in 1944 and 1945. It is unclear whther this is a partial or complete listing. As with awards of the BSM, it is also likely that the number of LOMs awarded to Red Army personnel may be higher for the reasons cited above. Should you wish to confirm the award of any one of the above U.S. Army decorations to a specific Red Army soldier, please contact me via private message. I will be happy to check my list and furnish specific information concerning the awarding authority. The U.S. Army Distinguished Service Medal awarded to top Soviet ace Pokryshkin (Triple HSU) is clearly seen in the below photo. Regards, slava1stclass Last edited by slava1stclass; 11-28-2010 at 12:23 PM. |
02-24-2003, 05:39 AM | #9 |
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Slava
Thank you for sharing this excellent research with us. Mike |
02-24-2003, 07:46 PM | #10 |
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Colonel General 1945
I took this photo in Moscow in August of 2000 at the State History Museum. They were doing a special display on the 55th Anniv. of the Victory Parade at the end of WWII. He has his US Legion of merit and the award document. These awards were almost never seen on display in regular museums during the cold war. Now its Ok.
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