Kiwiussr's fabulous claim. - Page 4

***CtahhR*** · 11-04-2012, 05:05 PM

$500 will certainly buy a LOT of drink in India!

Here's a brave Kiwi with a US award.

Willie Apiata VC wearing his US Navy and Marine Corps Presidential Unit Citation.
He was also originally in the terries too.

kiwiussr · 11-04-2012, 07:26 PM

well thanks for the interesting comments

in regards to the LOH, it was never mentioned it was awarded for any combat and who said I was or other members of the unit I served or was attached to was not officers at the time. BS was for services in Gulf war one.

to be honest I feel that some members here are like they are on a witch hunt and have little or no respect for others. I will not justify my military service to anyone as I know where and how I served. Just because my awards dont fit a normal range does not deserve to be questioned and I feel rather insutled as the aim or this thread was for members to share their personal awards not to be scrutinised, this is a good way to loose members to other forums. I hope this will be the end of this for all our sakes

kiwi

***desantnik*** · 11-04-2012, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwiussr

well thanks for the interesting comments

in regards to the LOH, it was never mentioned it was awarded for any combat and who said I was or other members of the unit I served or was attached to was not officers at the time. BS was for services in Gulf war one.
to be honest I feel that some members here are like they are on a witch hunt and have little or no respect for others. I will not justify my military service to anyone as I know where and how I served. Just because my awards dont fit a normal range does not deserve to be questioned and I feel rather insutled as the aim or this thread was for members to share their personal awards not to be scrutinised, this is a good way to loose members to other forums. I hope this will be the end of this for all our sakes

kiwi

Kiwi, the award in question is a LOM, Legion of Merit. It's designation would be on the paperwork you received... or didn't. It is almost always reserved for the most senior of military ranks, usually officers or senior military/political representatives - not tossed out to blokes that show up for still unidentified, (now) non-combat operations. The U.S. has several other awards for that recognition (one of which is worn by the SAS trooper pictured in this thread), but even then they are rarely awarded, mostly due to the bureaucratic hurdles involved.

My (our?) respect for you would be immense if you earned a LOM and/or BSM and is expressed earlier in this thread. Instead I feel rather insulted by those making false claims, moreover to unearned awards.

Witch hunts are characterized as lynchings with no justification - your story is going up in smoke pretty quickly. I'm willing to stand behind my assertions and am only asking the same courtesy.

***CtahhR*** · 11-04-2012, 08:09 PM

It has to be recognised why this thread exists. It was created by kiwiussr and he and only he posted a group of awards. If he did not wish to put himself under the scrutiny of other forum members he should have not drawn attention to them.

Anyone here could put together a bar of awards and say "these are mine" but without evidence how can anyone believe it is true?

I would also like to mention that the entire "dispatches" publications are online and available to search for free and it is very easy to find (or not find in this case) someone mentioned in them.

There is also a British army infranet which can be searched by a restricted number. If someone would like me to search for something particular on it I may be able to help but no inappropriate requests.

Bundtrock · 11-04-2012, 09:13 PM

OK, I am going to be real plain spoken here.

kiwiussr WELCHED / RENIGED on a committed business transaction, on this forum with desantnik, desantnik precluded him from participating in further auctions with him.

I DO NOT find that kind of behavior commensurate with the LOM award, absolutely not and I will flat out say so.

His refusal to provide ANONYMOUS documentation further confirms same to me.

***CtahhR*** · 11-04-2012, 09:51 PM

I find rejecting $500 to privately or publicly show the paperwork to PJS very strange. Who can afford to reject such a generous offer? If I were offered a similar deal I would almost be tempted to throw the awards in to the deal too. Turning down $500 is not like losing a few coppers down the back of the sofa.

The British/Commonwealth awards that are named should also be named with the same name (allowing for changes in rank/service) and are quite obviously present (if there is a Medal there is a name).

Also knowing PJS's standing in the community and applied integrity I would have no problem personally sharing any information required of him with or without financial gain.

With a group like that Paul anyone would think you were in the coast guard! And that it's not your first day on the job.
I don't know what the attitude of Americans are to coast guards but in England coast guards are often scoffed at by some Soldiers/Sailors for "playing soldiers" when they wear their rightly awarded Medals. As the British coast guard is a rather different beast to the US coast guard the service personnel are usually only awarded long service and jubilee awards (like the one I posted).

Believe it or not I also have all of the awards in the group but once again I bought them and was not awarded them which is something completely different. Most of them will never leave their original packaging.

medals73 · 11-05-2012, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundtrock

OK, I am going to be real plain spoken here.

kiwiussr WELCHED / RENIGED on a committed business transaction, on this forum with desantnik, desantnik precluded him from participating in further auctions with him.

I DO NOT find that kind of behavior commensurate with the LOM award, absolutely not and I will flat out say so.

His refusal to provide ANONYMOUS documentation further confirms same to me.

Many of us have had bad experiences on the marketplace, some with "esteemed forum members". I, for one, do not raise this continually or launch a vendetta against this person, though I don't forget. People you think have "integrity" don't always live up to those expectations.

***CtahhR*** · 11-05-2012, 06:48 AM

I haven't seen PJS start threads about deals not working out, nor have I started any either. Some do though http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...rketplace.html.

As the heaviest purchaser on the forum marketplace it is very obvious that not every transaction has worked in perfect clockwork but that is the nature of any transaction anywhere.

Deals of a financial matter and claims to awards are completely separate things.
I'd like to know if this is purely a "vendetta" why other long standing forum members have "jumped on the bandwagon".

I know there are forum members out there with giant racks of their own that chose not only to remain silent about them but also are able to understand what reasonable and unreasonable unsupported claims are.

If any other forum members would like to post their awards they will find that the forum is very open and supportive of all folks from all nations and all walks of life that have been awarded for their activities, especially if they are also willing to back up anything which may raise questions due to being unusual either privately or publicly.

A coast guard receiving coast guard awards or a teacher receiving awards from educational boards doesn't sound very out of the blue to me.

In the 21st century with communication as it is it is possible for anyone in the world to be recognised if their actions are deemed worthy. There is nothing more encouraging than a pat on the back, be it in the form of a polite message, a letter, a certificate, a medal, an order or a title.

***desantnik*** · 11-05-2012, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by medals73

Many of us have had bad experiences on the marketplace, some with "esteemed forum members". I, for one, do not raise this continually or launch a vendetta against this person, though I don't forget. People you think have "integrity" don't always live up to those expectations.

Ed, you are correct. We are human and more often than not, fail to live up to expectations. When I failed in your case, I publicly asked your forgiveness on the link above. Our previous scuffles and your PM threats didn't help the matter. As an aside, you may want to reflect whether your own "bad experiences" may be self-inflicted and whether forgetting may be the better alternative.

You got your pound of flesh and keep dragging out the mouse carcass.

With 50 to 1, 1000+ to 1, and forum members' satisfaction, I'll let to the numbers speak for themselves on my behalf.

medals73 · 11-05-2012, 07:15 AM

It was not my intent to start this up again. I am sorry I raised it, but when I saw some of attacks being pitched around, I thought it was necessary to remind all that one by-product of the marketplace is to drive wedges between individuals who might otherwise have been able to interact in a civil and respectful fashion on the forums, the core of the site as far as many are concerned. Q.e.d.

11-04-2012, 07:26 PM	#32
kiwiussr Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: UAE Age: 57 Posts: 97	Re: members decorations and medals well thanks for the interesting comments in regards to the LOH, it was never mentioned it was awarded for any combat and who said I was or other members of the unit I served or was attached to was not officers at the time. BS was for services in Gulf war one. to be honest I feel that some members here are like they are on a witch hunt and have little or no respect for others. I will not justify my military service to anyone as I know where and how I served. Just because my awards dont fit a normal range does not deserve to be questioned and I feel rather insutled as the aim or this thread was for members to share their personal awards not to be scrutinised, this is a good way to loose members to other forums. I hope this will be the end of this for all our sakes kiwi

11-04-2012, 08:09 PM	#34
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: members decorations and medals It has to be recognised why this thread exists. It was created by kiwiussr and he and only he posted a group of awards. If he did not wish to put himself under the scrutiny of other forum members he should have not drawn attention to them. Anyone here could put together a bar of awards and say "these are mine" but without evidence how can anyone believe it is true? I would also like to mention that the entire "dispatches" publications are online and available to search for free and it is very easy to find (or not find in this case) someone mentioned in them. There is also a British army infranet which can be searched by a restricted number. If someone would like me to search for something particular on it I may be able to help but no inappropriate requests. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

11-04-2012, 09:13 PM	#35
Bundtrock Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: DFW / Texas / USA Age: 68 Posts: 62	Re: members decorations and medals OK, I am going to be real plain spoken here. kiwiussr WELCHED / RENIGED on a committed business transaction, on this forum with desantnik, desantnik precluded him from participating in further auctions with him. I DO NOT find that kind of behavior commensurate with the LOM award, absolutely not and I will flat out say so. His refusal to provide ANONYMOUS documentation further confirms same to me. __________________ [FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Collector of USSR, DDR, Socialist Hungary memorabilia.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

11-04-2012, 09:51 PM	#36
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	I find rejecting $500 to privately or publicly show the paperwork to PJS very strange. Who can afford to reject such a generous offer? If I were offered a similar deal I would almost be tempted to throw the awards in to the deal too. Turning down $500 is not like losing a few coppers down the back of the sofa. The British/Commonwealth awards that are named should also be named with the same name (allowing for changes in rank/service) and are quite obviously present (if there is a Medal there is a name). Also knowing PJS's standing in the community and applied integrity I would have no problem personally sharing any information required of him with or without financial gain. With a group like that Paul anyone would think you were in the coast guard! And that it's not your first day on the job. I don't know what the attitude of Americans are to coast guards but in England coast guards are often scoffed at by some Soldiers/Sailors for "playing soldiers" when they wear their rightly awarded Medals. As the British coast guard is a rather different beast to the US coast guard the service personnel are usually only awarded long service and jubilee awards (like the one I posted). Believe it or not I also have all of the awards in the group but once again I bought them and was not awarded them which is something completely different. Most of them will never leave their original packaging. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

11-05-2012, 06:48 AM	#38
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: members decorations and medals I haven't seen PJS start threads about deals not working out, nor have I started any either. Some do though http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...rketplace.html. As the heaviest purchaser on the forum marketplace it is very obvious that not every transaction has worked in perfect clockwork but that is the nature of any transaction anywhere. Deals of a financial matter and claims to awards are completely separate things. I'd like to know if this is purely a "vendetta" why other long standing forum members have "jumped on the bandwagon". I know there are forum members out there with giant racks of their own that chose not only to remain silent about them but also are able to understand what reasonable and unreasonable unsupported claims are. If any other forum members would like to post their awards they will find that the forum is very open and supportive of all folks from all nations and all walks of life that have been awarded for their activities, especially if they are also willing to back up anything which may raise questions due to being unusual either privately or publicly. A coast guard receiving coast guard awards or a teacher receiving awards from educational boards doesn't sound very out of the blue to me. In the 21st century with communication as it is it is possible for anyone in the world to be recognised if their actions are deemed worthy. There is nothing more encouraging than a pat on the back, be it in the form of a polite message, a letter, a certificate, a medal, an order or a title. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

11-05-2012, 07:15 AM	#40
medals73 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, most of the time Posts: 2,016	Re: members decorations and medals It was not my intent to start this up again. I am sorry I raised it, but when I saw some of attacks being pitched around, I thought it was necessary to remind all that one by-product of the marketplace is to drive wedges between individuals who might otherwise have been able to interact in a civil and respectful fashion on the forums, the core of the site as far as many are concerned. Q.e.d.

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