Fake Order And Medal Booklets - Page 8

Nack · 01-17-2005, 05:22 PM

I'm not sure who would bother to fake this document, but the writing still looks like the author was trying too hard. Newbie paranoia or legit concern?

Tretov · 01-17-2005, 06:58 PM

Nackowicz,
I have a document with the same type of "stiff" letters... October Revolution order #16588 (1971)

Nack · 01-17-2005, 07:11 PM

So I guess arthritis was setting in for the document-filler-outers in the 70’s then. :)

Thanks for the help.

Nota Bene · 01-21-2005, 04:14 PM

Tim,

I believe I recognize this hand-writting, and I think the document is genuine.

BTW, they are faked very frequently.

Alexei

slava1stclass · 01-24-2005, 04:41 AM

To all:

First off, thanks to Tal Inbar for cluing us in to this guy from Vilnius and his bogus "Full Cavalier" set. In checking out his other items (currently listed on a well-known auction site), he also has copies of a HSU and a Suvorov II with documents.

Although I'm no expert when it comes to HSU and Suvorov documents, I am when it comes to Full Cavalier booklets. Based on the bad Full Cavalier booklet he currently offers, I can only surmise that there are problems with his HSU and Suvorov documents. I leave that judgment to the forum's collective wisdom.

Regards,

slava1stclass

HuliganRS · 01-24-2005, 10:17 AM

I wonder why the seller provided such low quality shots of a group that should fetch well over $10,000!!! :hurl

:) Rusty.

Dave · 01-24-2005, 10:37 AM

What's interesting to me is that the pages of the documents appear to be fairly well done. Not perfect fakes by any means, but better than I could do. However, the covers are just disgusting... :hurl If this guy got real covers, he could probably do a very convincing job of faking the entire document (like some of the ones that one of our dearly departed members owned...) :rolleyes:

--Dave

ericlida · 01-24-2005, 11:57 AM

Guys,
We are talking about two different sellers.
The seller from Vilnus is selling copies of Orders (Suvorov-II, Khmelnitsky-I, Glory - 3classes, HSU) with the Documents. The documents to those orders are also copies. He is stating this.
Another seller that is selling this huge group of orders is saying that the orders are original. If they are original the group is much, much... more than $10,000.00.

Eric.

new world · 01-24-2005, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlida

Guys,
We are talking about two different sellers.
The seller from Vilnus is selling copies of Orders (Suvorov-II, Khmelnitsky-I, Glory - 3classes, HSU) with the Documents. The documents to those orders are also copies. He is stating this.

...

I have to agree with Ericlida - the seller of Glory set, HSU and Suvorov with docs clearly states that both documents and awards are copies.

No need to blame him, he's being honest.

William

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlida

Guys,
We are talking about two different sellers.
...

Another seller that is selling this huge group of orders is saying that the orders are original. If they are original the group is much, much... more than $10,000.00.

Eric.

Second seller - if the group would be original, just the Suvorov 3 cl Type 1 would cost around $10,000 and the entire collection would be over $20,000.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like his top awards are authentic (as much as one can judge by poor quality of the photos). Details are crude, patina looks artificial and the absence of the McDaniel paperwork is just a deal killer.

William

Nota Bene · 01-24-2005, 07:56 PM

Guys,

If you look at the cover of the HSU and Suvorov documents you will see that both are fakes - the grain is too big.

Alexei

01-24-2005, 10:17 AM	#76
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I wonder why the seller provided such low quality shots of a group that should fetch well over $10,000!!! :hurl :) Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

01-24-2005, 11:57 AM	#78
ericlida Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Age: 71 Posts: 761	Guys, We are talking about two different sellers. The seller from Vilnus is selling copies of Orders (Suvorov-II, Khmelnitsky-I, Glory - 3classes, HSU) with the Documents. The documents to those orders are also copies. He is stating this. Another seller that is selling this huge group of orders is saying that the orders are original. If they are original the group is much, much... more than $10,000.00. Eric. Last edited by ericlida; 01-24-2005 at 11:59 AM.

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01-17-2005, 06:58 PM	#72
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	Nackowicz, I have a document with the same type of "stiff" letters... October Revolution order #16588 (1971)

01-17-2005, 07:11 PM	#73
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	So I guess arthritis was setting in for the document-filler-outers in the 70’s then. :) Thanks for the help.

01-21-2005, 04:14 PM	#74
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Tim, I believe I recognize this hand-writting, and I think the document is genuine. BTW, they are faked very frequently. Alexei

01-24-2005, 10:37 AM	#77
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	What's interesting to me is that the pages of the documents appear to be fairly well done. Not perfect fakes by any means, but better than I could do. However, the covers are just disgusting... :hurl If this guy got real covers, he could probably do a very convincing job of faking the entire document (like some of the ones that one of our dearly departed members owned...) :rolleyes: --Dave

01-24-2005, 07:56 PM	#80
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Guys, If you look at the cover of the HSU and Suvorov documents you will see that both are fakes - the grain is too big. Alexei

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