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Dave · 10-09-2003, 07:16 PM

I also know a seller in the same part of the world that you bought your award that has a large quantity of blank award books- this book may have very well come from his stock. Last time I saw him, he had a box full of the empty orange/red award cases as well. I'd bet the entire award set up came from him...

--Dave

new world · 10-09-2003, 07:49 PM

I agree with Dave.

Look at the shape of the hole where the order is placed - it could fit any Soviet award.

William

Christophe · 11-09-2003, 11:34 AM

Alexei,
Others,

I am now equipped, so here are the weight and measurements for this OPC 2215 :

* Weight :
* Order : 33.0 g
* Suspension + ring : 8.7 g
* Total : 41.7 g.

* Measurements :
* Height : 48.17 mm.
* Width : 44.61 mm.

I hope I did not make any mistake in measuring and weighing : I did not imagine how difficult it is (specially for weighing without disconnecting the suspension) !!! But I did it several times with similar crosschecked figures

All these figures seems to me compliant with the data usually published (Mondvor, this site...).

Do you have any comment on these datas ?
I would be more than interested in any similar figure or element from your database, if you have any (that what I think ! ;)

Cheers.

Ch.

d-riemer · 11-09-2003, 11:24 PM

Here is a late Order of Personal Courage awarded in 1990 with S/N 635. This number is just at the upper edge of the quantity of awarded orders.

Nota Bene · 11-11-2003, 06:40 PM

Christophe,

So far your measurements are good. I would also like to know thicknes in mm at the tips of the sunburst and in the middle.

Alexei

Christophe · 11-12-2003, 04:51 PM

Alexei,

Many thanks for your comments.
Here are the additional measurements you asked for :

* Thickness at the tips of the sunburst (in beginning by the top one, and clockwise) :
* Top tip (without the ring) : 2.97 mm.
* Top-right tip : 3.06 mm.
* Bottom-right tip : 2.97 mm.
* Bottom-left tip : 2.96 mm.
* Top-left tip : 2.83 mm.

For the "middle", I am not sure to have fully understood...
What do you mean : the middle of the order itself ? Extremely difficult to measure because of the rotondity of the order... And do you measure it including the thickness of the letters or not ?
Or is it the middle of the tips of the sunburst (far more easy to do...) ?
Can you precise it ?

I hope these measurements have been well done, as it not easy at all to succeed in doing them !!

In advance, many thanks.

Ch.

Nota Bene · 11-12-2003, 05:09 PM

Christophe,

I think I've tortured you enough with my questions :) I believe that your Order is most likely genuine.

Alexei

Christophe · 11-12-2003, 05:25 PM

Alexei,

Excellent news !! Even if I was not really worried about it... it is always better to know.
BTW, I still have a capacity of resistance :) , so if you need any other measurement...

More seriously, do you have a database on the measurements you asked ? Do you have comparisons points, and are you able to see - thanks to the content of your database - on this basis if an OPC is genuine or not ?
If you have one, - I would fully understand you don"t disclose its content -, it would be very interesting to have an idea.

Many thanks for your knowledge.

Cheers.

Ch.

Nota Bene · 11-15-2003, 05:55 PM

Christophe,

I have an extensive database with measurements and detailed scans of comparison points for many types and variations. I also have a very large collection of zeroxes of Paul McDaniel's COAs. Your piece looks good, all the usual check points seem OK, and all the measurements are within range. I still can't say that I am 100% sure that this piece is good, because for that I will need to actually see it, but most likely it is good.

Alexei

Christophe · 12-24-2003, 09:58 AM

Difficult to answer.
Mine booklet is, according to PMD, a variation 6. The one you posted is a variation 7 (the latest variation).
If it is a genuine one, its SN seems to extend the range of awarded OPC's SNs.
Alexei, any comment ?
We would be interested in benefiting from your expertise and knowledge.

Ch.

11-09-2003, 11:34 AM	#3
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Order for Personal Courage. SN 2215 Alexei, Others, I am now equipped, so here are the weight and measurements for this OPC 2215 : * Weight : * Order : 33.0 g * Suspension + ring : 8.7 g * Total : 41.7 g. * Measurements : * Height : 48.17 mm. * Width : 44.61 mm. I hope I did not make any mistake in measuring and weighing : I did not imagine how difficult it is (specially for weighing without disconnecting the suspension) !!! But I did it several times with similar crosschecked figures All these figures seems to me compliant with the data usually published (Mondvor, this site...). Do you have any comment on these datas ? I would be more than interested in any similar figure or element from your database, if you have any (that what I think ! ;) Cheers. Ch.

11-12-2003, 04:51 PM	#6
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Measurements Alexei, Many thanks for your comments. Here are the additional measurements you asked for : * Thickness at the tips of the sunburst (in beginning by the top one, and clockwise) : * Top tip (without the ring) : 2.97 mm. * Top-right tip : 3.06 mm. * Bottom-right tip : 2.97 mm. * Bottom-left tip : 2.96 mm. * Top-left tip : 2.83 mm. For the "middle", I am not sure to have fully understood... What do you mean : the middle of the order itself ? Extremely difficult to measure because of the rotondity of the order... And do you measure it including the thickness of the letters or not ? Or is it the middle of the tips of the sunburst (far more easy to do...) ? Can you precise it ? I hope these measurements have been well done, as it not easy at all to succeed in doing them !! In advance, many thanks. Ch.

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10-09-2003, 07:16 PM	#1
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	I also know a seller in the same part of the world that you bought your award that has a large quantity of blank award books- this book may have very well come from his stock. Last time I saw him, he had a box full of the empty orange/red award cases as well. I'd bet the entire award set up came from him... --Dave

10-09-2003, 07:49 PM	#2
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	I agree with Dave. Look at the shape of the hole where the order is placed - it could fit any Soviet award. William

11-11-2003, 06:40 PM	#5
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Christophe, So far your measurements are good. I would also like to know thicknes in mm at the tips of the sunburst and in the middle. Alexei

11-12-2003, 05:09 PM	#7
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Christophe, I think I've tortured you enough with my questions :) I believe that your Order is most likely genuine. Alexei

11-12-2003, 05:25 PM	#8
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Alexei, Excellent news !! Even if I was not really worried about it... it is always better to know. BTW, I still have a capacity of resistance :) , so if you need any other measurement... More seriously, do you have a database on the measurements you asked ? Do you have comparisons points, and are you able to see - thanks to the content of your database - on this basis if an OPC is genuine or not ? If you have one, - I would fully understand you don"t disclose its content -, it would be very interesting to have an idea. Many thanks for your knowledge. Cheers. Ch.

11-15-2003, 05:55 PM	#9
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Christophe, I have an extensive database with measurements and detailed scans of comparison points for many types and variations. I also have a very large collection of zeroxes of Paul McDaniel's COAs. Your piece looks good, all the usual check points seem OK, and all the measurements are within range. I still can't say that I am 100% sure that this piece is good, because for that I will need to actually see it, but most likely it is good. Alexei

12-24-2003, 09:58 AM	#10
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Difficult to answer. Mine booklet is, according to PMD, a variation 6. The one you posted is a variation 7 (the latest variation). If it is a genuine one, its SN seems to extend the range of awarded OPC's SNs. Alexei, any comment ? We would be interested in benefiting from your expertise and knowledge. Ch.

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