Naval Visor Caps.

[MadZombieLenin]

So I've had a Naval ship captain's winter visor cap for a few years now, but I don't know if it's the real deal. Here's the cap:

It seems to be made up of authentic parts. The faded label is from the Lagoda Factory, the buttons are 1986-dated, the visor is the later plastic type. The sweatband is authentic and has the acceptance stamp inside it. The material and construction feels right too. The ribbon around it isn't like the current glossy smooth ones either.

However, the shape is alot like current fakes (slopes up steeply in the front, large flat crown that extends far back). The cockade is the earlier type, so it's not correct for the later-dated visor and buttons. I'm really not sure what to make of this, so I was hoping someone could help. I've had it for about 5 years now, and it's been bugging me. Thanks!!!

[Al-muell]

The cap looks perfectly OK to me. I have seen al least 3 navy officer caps with this shape and size of the crown, and they were all, like Yours, made ofheavier wool material. The eldest of them was aquired by a friend of mine in the 90's, before cap faking business became so widespread. Also, this isn't a cap uncommon enough to be faked I think

[MadZombieLenin]

Originally Posted by Al-muell

The cap looks perfectly OK to me. I have seen al least 3 navy officer caps with this shape and size of the crown, and they were all, like Yours, made ofheavier wool material. The eldest of them was aquired by a friend of mine in the 90's, before cap faking business became so widespread. Also, this isn't a cap uncommon enough to be faked I think

Okay, thanks for your help. I do have a hard time believing that someone would (or could) bother building a fake cap out of real materials. Can't possibly be lucrative.

What about the piping? It is alot thicker than most others I've seen.

[Al-muell]

If I have time, I will take photos of such cap from my collection - the piping is also unusualy thick.

[USSR]

Can anyone help me with the rank and period corresponding with this visor?

Thanks!

[Jeffrey Meffert]

any dates on the back of the buttons?

[Al-muell]

Officer or extended service NCO. Maybe cpt. 1st rank (has the cord instead of chinstrap), but more likely - general officer's everyday cap with chinstrap changed to cord - this might have been done in the era (it did happen), or lately, by the seller.
Te cap may indeed be pre-69, but can also be 1969-80 judging from te visor. The date on the buttons will help.

[Lapa]

Al-muell,

I disagree, this is NOT a general's cap.

Marc

[USSR]

I dont see how I can look at the back of the buttons for a date, so I made a frontal picture of them.

[Al-muell]

Originally Posted by Lapa

Al-muell,

I disagree, this is NOT a general's cap.

Marc

Didn't mean that. I wrote "general officer cap" in the meaning "for all the officers". Sorry for that ambiguation.

Originally Posted by USSR

I dont see how I can look at the back of the buttons for a date, so I made a frontal picture of them.

You may try to read what's on the back. Or, if they are attached with a wire, not sewn, they can be easily removed without any damege. Just look under the sweatband.
The button is brass - it would indicate that the cap rather isn't newer than early 60's.