NKVD General's Visors.

DougD · 06-23-2003, 12:55 PM

The brim has some damage, but still a very rare cap. Has NKVD colors with generals embroidery, etc.

DougD

LeeG · 03-27-2004, 01:17 PM

As promised--I am posting my NKVD 1943 general's cap. The lacquer on the brim is flaking off like nobody's business, but other than that, the cap is nearly perfect. Enjoy!

Lapa · 03-27-2004, 01:56 PM

Hi Lee,

Nice cap, I'm jealous :p

Are you sure it's a M43? I personally would have thought M45, but then again, I am not too knowledgeable in this area. Could you please explain why it is an NKVD cap? I would have thought infantry as it is wave-blue with red piping.

Marc

LeeG · 03-27-2004, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Hi Lee,

Nice cap, I'm jealous :p

Are you sure it's a M43? I personally would have thought M45, but then again, I am not too knowledgeable in this area. Could you please explain why it is an NKVD cap? I would have thought infantry as it is wave-blue with red piping.

Marc

Hi Marc, no it is actually a 1943 parade cap, as the NKVD 1945 caps were Tsarist (excuse me, comrade, "Wave") Green under orders of Beria. (Did I get that right, Doug?) Doug Drabik had this posting earlier which describes the 1943 NKVD uniform in detail:
http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2452
-Lee

Lapa · 03-27-2004, 03:50 PM

Thanks Lee, the color really got me confused. Looking at Doug's pictures, I see that it is of a very different shade of blue.

Marc

LeeG · 03-27-2004, 07:12 PM

Yeah, that's my digital camera again, I think. The blue is deeper than seen in the pics here.

DougD · 06-09-2004, 06:21 PM

This one just came in; I have had in three M1943 parade NKVD generals caps, but this is the first M1940 NKVD Generals service cap I have had in. Great shape, some wear.

DougD

LeeG · 06-09-2004, 10:19 PM

Wow, the 1940 cap is dramatically less frilly than the 1943 or 1945. I guess 1940 was well before Mr Stalin allowed any sort of Tsarist-influenced nationalism to seep into the uniforms.

Thanks for sharing Doug! It's always a pleasure to see your latest findings.

DougD · 06-10-2004, 10:32 AM

Remeber, there was no per se NKVD M1945 generals cap ( used the same as army). As for the frilly M1943 one, its the same as the M1940, but since its parade it has the embroidery; the M1940 was worn as the non parade cap from 1940 until 1945.

dd

LeeG · 06-11-2004, 01:08 AM

Hey Doug,
The 1940 you have posted has that 'squared-off' brim you see most of the time. My nkvd 1943 and army 1945 parade caps have more rounded-off brims. I've seen some other parade caps with the squared off brim, but I've never in my recollection seen any non-parade caps with a rounded brim. Was there some sort of manufacturing spec (or lack thereof) for brims that the war-era Soviets used?
-Lee

03-27-2004, 01:56 PM	#3
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Hi Lee, Nice cap, I'm jealous :p Are you sure it's a M43? I personally would have thought M45, but then again, I am not too knowledgeable in this area. Could you please explain why it is an NKVD cap? I would have thought infantry as it is wave-blue with red piping. Marc Last edited by Lapa; 03-27-2004 at 01:58 PM.

06-10-2004, 10:32 AM	#9
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	cap Remeber, there was no per se NKVD M1945 generals cap ( used the same as army). As for the frilly M1943 one, its the same as the M1940, but since its parade it has the embroidery; the M1940 was worn as the non parade cap from 1940 until 1945. dd

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03-27-2004, 03:50 PM	#5
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Thanks Lee, the color really got me confused. Looking at Doug's pictures, I see that it is of a very different shade of blue. Marc

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LeeG Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California Age: 56 Posts: 23	Yeah, that's my digital camera again, I think. The blue is deeper than seen in the pics here.

06-09-2004, 10:19 PM	#8
LeeG Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California Age: 56 Posts: 23	Wow, the 1940 cap is dramatically less frilly than the 1943 or 1945. I guess 1940 was well before Mr Stalin allowed any sort of Tsarist-influenced nationalism to seep into the uniforms. Thanks for sharing Doug! It's always a pleasure to see your latest findings.

06-11-2004, 01:08 AM	#10
LeeG Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: California Age: 56 Posts: 23	Hey Doug, The 1940 you have posted has that 'squared-off' brim you see most of the time. My nkvd 1943 and army 1945 parade caps have more rounded-off brims. I've seen some other parade caps with the squared off brim, but I've never in my recollection seen any non-parade caps with a rounded brim. Was there some sort of manufacturing spec (or lack thereof) for brims that the war-era Soviets used? -Lee

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