Dissinformation - Page 4

Tal Inbar · 06-09-2002, 04:12 PM

The "memorial badge", made to make some profit in a very ugly way, is a known story. But, when you read this description (on ebay...) you get mad:

"AN ORIGINAL BRASS AND HOT ENAMEL BREAST BADGE ISSUED TO RUSSIAN NAVAL PERSONNEL TO COMMEMORATE THE LOSS OF THE SUBMARINE KURSK. COMPLETE WITH SCREW POST AND MOSCOW MINT MARKED BACKPLATE. MINT CONDITION."

Nota Bene · 06-10-2002, 05:42 PM

Tal,

While the whole idea of making money on this disaster is disgusting to me I can't really say anything about the badge. Most likely another fantasy piece, made in the Baltic states.

Alexei

Tal Inbar · 06-21-2002, 04:21 PM

"GOLD RUSSIAN COMMEMORATIVE LENIN MEDAL "

"Gold Russian Lenin Medal w/Ribbon commorating the 100th anniversary of Lenin's birth 1870-1970. Presented for Good Service to Russia." (just $10.00 as a start)

Look carefuly and you won't believe:

:mad:

Tal Inbar · 06-23-2002, 09:44 AM

What do you think about that:

"RUSSIAN GOLD MEDAL FOR SERVICE IN PRAGUE
Russian Gold Medal awarded for Service in Prague. Dated: 9 Mar 1945"

And

"RUSSIAN GOLD MEDAL FOR SERVICE IN VIENNA
Russian Gold Medal awarded for Service in Vienna. Dated: 13 Anpena 1945."

Well, either the seller is idiot or he/she thinks we are.:mad:

Ed Maier · 06-23-2002, 11:11 AM

I think you are being a little too literal with the "gold" description. The medal is the "color" gold. It doesn't say that the medal is made of gold and does not even imply that. There are plenty of medal descriptions of "gold" in almost every other field of collecting and it does not mean that the medal is "made" of gold. For example, the German Close Combat Clasp in Gold, the American Silver Star (a gold star with a small silver star in the center.) The very fact that the price of the 100 Years of Lenin is so low, shows that he is not talking about gold metal content.

Just me opinion,
Ed

Nota Bene · 06-23-2002, 01:36 PM

Ed,

It's probably not my place to discuss English semantics :), but I think the seller would've avoided a lot of confusion by describing it as "gold color". After all eBay is an international market place.

Alexei

Ed Maier · 06-23-2002, 02:12 PM

Alexei,

You might be correct, but then again, this person was probably a product of the US public school system and asking for proper English from an American might be too much.;)

alconlon · 06-23-2002, 02:28 PM

The gold would be in reference to the the color and anyone believing the medal was made of gold would be a complete idiot.
No disinformation in the description unless the seller said it was made of gold.
I started collecting militaria at 14 years old and was taught by some old timers to obtain all the reference books I could find on what I was collecting.Now with the internet information is more readily available,so those that are too lazy to learn before they buy will get burned more often as to originality and paying a reasonable price.

I have noticed by looking at a number of major Soviet Orders and Medals dealors websites that prices vary widely for the same items.So it pays to investigate.

Happy hunting.

Thanks,Al

Nota Bene · 06-23-2002, 05:25 PM

Al,

I disagree, I think it is the seller's responsibility to describe an item in every detail and to provide as much information about it as possible, and certainly try to avoid any confusion.

Alexei

Ed Maier · 06-23-2002, 05:34 PM

Alexei,

I also believe it is the sellers responsibility to describe things as clearly as possible, but the meaning of "clearly" varies with the knowledge of the seller. I would expect you or I to have a much more detailed description of a Soviet medal then just a regular person listing something on ebay.

I still see no disinformation with this listing.

Just my opinion,
Ed

06-23-2002, 09:44 AM	#34
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Gold medals everywere! What do you think about that: "RUSSIAN GOLD MEDAL FOR SERVICE IN PRAGUE Russian Gold Medal awarded for Service in Prague. Dated: 9 Mar 1945" And "RUSSIAN GOLD MEDAL FOR SERVICE IN VIENNA Russian Gold Medal awarded for Service in Vienna. Dated: 13 Anpena 1945." Well, either the seller is idiot or he/she thinks we are.:mad:

06-23-2002, 02:28 PM	#38
alconlon Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brockton,MA Age: 67 Posts: 37	The gold would be in reference to the the color and anyone believing the medal was made of gold would be a complete idiot. No disinformation in the description unless the seller said it was made of gold. I started collecting militaria at 14 years old and was taught by some old timers to obtain all the reference books I could find on what I was collecting.Now with the internet information is more readily available,so those that are too lazy to learn before they buy will get burned more often as to originality and paying a reasonable price. I have noticed by looking at a number of major Soviet Orders and Medals dealors websites that prices vary widely for the same items.So it pays to investigate. Happy hunting. Thanks,Al Last edited by alconlon; 06-23-2002 at 04:28 PM.

06-10-2002, 05:42 PM	#32
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Tal, While the whole idea of making money on this disaster is disgusting to me I can't really say anything about the badge. Most likely another fantasy piece, made in the Baltic states. Alexei

06-23-2002, 11:11 AM	#35
Ed Maier Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 55 Posts: 203	I think you are being a little too literal with the "gold" description. The medal is the "color" gold. It doesn't say that the medal is made of gold and does not even imply that. There are plenty of medal descriptions of "gold" in almost every other field of collecting and it does not mean that the medal is "made" of gold. For example, the German Close Combat Clasp in Gold, the American Silver Star (a gold star with a small silver star in the center.) The very fact that the price of the 100 Years of Lenin is so low, shows that he is not talking about gold metal content. Just me opinion, Ed

06-23-2002, 01:36 PM	#36
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Ed, It's probably not my place to discuss English semantics :), but I think the seller would've avoided a lot of confusion by describing it as "gold color". After all eBay is an international market place. Alexei

06-23-2002, 02:12 PM	#37
Ed Maier Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 55 Posts: 203	Alexei, You might be correct, but then again, this person was probably a product of the US public school system and asking for proper English from an American might be too much.;)

06-23-2002, 05:25 PM	#39
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Al, I disagree, I think it is the seller's responsibility to describe an item in every detail and to provide as much information about it as possible, and certainly try to avoid any confusion. Alexei

06-23-2002, 05:34 PM	#40
Ed Maier Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 55 Posts: 203	Alexei, I also believe it is the sellers responsibility to describe things as clearly as possible, but the meaning of "clearly" varies with the knowledge of the seller. I would expect you or I to have a much more detailed description of a Soviet medal then just a regular person listing something on ebay. I still see no disinformation with this listing. Just my opinion, Ed

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