Flag of Victory in GPW will lose it's symbols

new world · 04-10-2007, 08:07 PM

I'm speachless - Russian deputats just passed project for the law that offical Flag of Victory in Great Patriotic War will be striped of all symbols, except the Star:

kp.ru // Ñî Çíàìåíè Ïîáåäû âñå-òàêè óáðàëè ñåðï è ìîëîò

If President Putin signs the proposed - it will become the law.

What's next - stripping existing Soviet awards of hammer and sicle?

William

Nack · 04-10-2007, 08:23 PM

Is that the flag with the orange and black stripes, etc.?

***desantnik*** · 04-10-2007, 09:33 PM

Kind of reminds me of that book "The Vanishing Commissar" or something like that about how people disappeared from Soviet visual media over time. If we don't like the past, we just rewrite it! So much change and so much stays the same.

willie777 · 04-11-2007, 02:01 PM

Only the star??? Thats not stripping the flag. They're just replacing it with a Russian Army Flag aka Yeltsin's Victory Banner (shown below). But its still sad to see it go.

ericlida · 04-11-2007, 06:16 PM

Guys
It is normal for Russia (Soviet Union). Look at their history. Nothing changed, just different names and tytles.
As soon as new government comes, they distroy everything behind.
From my personal life experience, it is not only on government level. It was always their life style.
Destroying - you prove that you are better.

I hope Putin will not sign it. If he signs, he is not any different from this bunch of idiots.
Eric

Esteban_cool · 04-11-2007, 08:39 PM

Just my two pesos...

I have never agreed with any kind of banning, and my dissaproval is higher when it comes to symbols. Banning a H&S or a Hakenkreuz won´t make a government who banns these symbols any better than the repressive regimes they try to erase from their history; in fact, they just do the same as those regimes did. History (and especially the darkest times of it) repeats itself... And the countries´s labor should be -at least, to do all they can- to avoid those"dark times" from showing up once more. A good way to do it is to keep those symbols (and thus, the memory) to remind people and to teach future generations how necessary is to take consciousness that that kind of events should never happen again for the sake of themselves and the rest of mankind.

new world · 04-12-2007, 05:07 AM

This story reminds me recent intiative of German government to strip Adolf Hitler of German citizenship.

Whatever happened - is already history and no matter what we ban or take away from dead people - it will not bring millions of dead back.

There's ironic ending in Hitler's story - it can not be done, as some German law forbids taking away someone's citizenship if the person will be left without any citizenship at all. Apparently Hitler renounced his Austrian citizenship when he was running for elections in Germany in the 1930s.

Imagine someone in Russia gets equally brilliant idea to take away citizenship from Stalin or Ivan the Terrible

William

Esteban_cool · 04-12-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new world

This story reminds me recent intiative of German government to strip Adolf Hitler of German citizenship.

No way they seriously have in mind doing that??!!!

***Art*** · 04-12-2007, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new world

Whatever happened - is already history and no matter what we ban or take away from dead people - it will not bring millions of dead back.

Well said!

ibaya · 04-12-2007, 02:20 PM

It was actually an honorary citizenship of a town that will soon be hosting an EU meeting. Technically the citizenship expired when he committed suicide, but I guess they wanted to clean up the ambiguity pre-emptively.

04-10-2007, 08:07 PM	#1
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	Flag of Victory in GPW will lose it's symbols I'm speachless - Russian deputats just passed project for the law that offical Flag of Victory in Great Patriotic War will be striped of all symbols, except the Star: kp.ru // Ñî Çíàìåíè Ïîáåäû âñå-òàêè óáðàëè ñåðï è ìîëîò If President Putin signs the proposed - it will become the law. What's next - stripping existing Soviet awards of hammer and sicle? William

04-11-2007, 08:39 PM	#6
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Just my two pesos... I have never agreed with any kind of banning, and my dissaproval is higher when it comes to symbols. Banning a H&S or a Hakenkreuz won´t make a government who banns these symbols any better than the repressive regimes they try to erase from their history; in fact, they just do the same as those regimes did. History (and especially the darkest times of it) repeats itself... And the countries´s labor should be -at least, to do all they can- to avoid those"dark times" from showing up once more. A good way to do it is to keep those symbols (and thus, the memory) to remind people and to teach future generations how necessary is to take consciousness that that kind of events should never happen again for the sake of themselves and the rest of mankind. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

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04-10-2007, 08:23 PM	#2
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	Is that the flag with the orange and black stripes, etc.?

04-10-2007, 09:33 PM	#3
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,340	Kind of reminds me of that book "The Vanishing Commissar" or something like that about how people disappeared from Soviet visual media over time. If we don't like the past, we just rewrite it! So much change and so much stays the same.

04-11-2007, 06:16 PM	#5
ericlida Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Age: 71 Posts: 761	Guys It is normal for Russia (Soviet Union). Look at their history. Nothing changed, just different names and tytles. As soon as new government comes, they distroy everything behind. From my personal life experience, it is not only on government level. It was always their life style. Destroying - you prove that you are better. I hope Putin will not sign it. If he signs, he is not any different from this bunch of idiots. Eric

04-12-2007, 05:07 AM	#7
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	This story reminds me recent intiative of German government to strip Adolf Hitler of German citizenship. Whatever happened - is already history and no matter what we ban or take away from dead people - it will not bring millions of dead back. There's ironic ending in Hitler's story - it can not be done, as some German law forbids taking away someone's citizenship if the person will be left without any citizenship at all. Apparently Hitler renounced his Austrian citizenship when he was running for elections in Germany in the 1930s. Imagine someone in Russia gets equally brilliant idea to take away citizenship from Stalin or Ivan the Terrible William

04-12-2007, 02:20 PM	#10
ibaya Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Age: 54 Posts: 200	It was actually an honorary citizenship of a town that will soon be hosting an EU meeting. Technically the citizenship expired when he committed suicide, but I guess they wanted to clean up the ambiguity pre-emptively.

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