Glory. - Page 6

JensF. · 05-15-2003, 05:36 PM

Yes, there are dents with gold plating, but no deep scratches. I can't find dents with gold plating in the worn areas, but I have to check it again.

OK, I found some dents in the outer rim of the medaillon with some gold plating inside and some without.

Btw. there is some gold plating left in the medaillon rim of the marked areas:

Tal Inbar · 05-16-2003, 07:17 AM

Obviously it was gold plated after it was worn. The question is - by the Veteran, over orgiginal 2nd class, or by a faker, over low number 3rd class?

I can't tell.

Tal

JensF. · 05-16-2003, 09:25 AM

Thanks for your opinions Tal. Is there such a thin variation at the 3. class too? The medal has a thickness of only 1 mm.

Nota Bene · 05-16-2003, 04:29 PM

Gentlemen,

Sometimes if it's just a dent and not a deep one there may be some gold left in it. A gold plated scratch is a sure sign that the medal was replated. In any case a combination of posible gold restoration and the unusual serial number makes me very suspicious about this piece.

Alexei

JensF. · 05-17-2003, 04:29 PM

After checking it again I can say that only the dents have gold plating left. There are not very much scratches and these are silver.

Bazanov · 06-28-2003, 07:48 AM

My last post about this does not seem to get up so i post this.
What happend to this order of glory?
Is it a 3 class converted to a 1 class or is it a broken 1 class?

Christophe · 06-28-2003, 07:57 AM

Quite difficult to be categoric on such a scan...

But, for sure, it is not a "broken" 1st class, are the 1st class is always made of solid gold (950/1000) !
It looks like if some acid, varnish or resin have been poured on it...
BTW, where is the SN ?
The ring of the suspension seems also curious....
Has the ribbon itself got some orange tan ? ;)

Probably can you describe us better what is the "liquid" or matter put on it...

Ch.

Dave · 06-28-2003, 09:09 AM

Looks like a normal 3rd class with some sort of liquid (varnish or stain, perhaps) spilled on it.

--Dave

JensF. · 06-29-2003, 01:40 PM

After a long time I got the McDaniel book! McDaniel states that there is a thin variation ONLY of the Order of Glory 2. class, so this one is original and not a gold plated 3.class.

But who can tell me when it was awarded with the number 7943?

Looks like someone tried to gold plate a 3. class and FAILED! :D

Lapa · 06-29-2003, 03:38 PM

Hi Major,

What really ticks me off is the fact that there is no gold plating under the enamel. If you check PMD, you'll see that he clearly states that these were plated BEFORE being enameled.

In my opinion, it is probably an upgraded thin variation 3rd class.

Marc

05-16-2003, 07:17 AM	#52
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Obviously it was gold plated after it was worn. The question is - by the Veteran, over orgiginal 2nd class, or by a faker, over low number 3rd class? I can't tell. Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

06-29-2003, 03:38 PM	#60
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Gold Platig ad Enamel Hi Major, What really ticks me off is the fact that there is no gold plating under the enamel. If you check PMD, you'll see that he clearly states that these were plated BEFORE being enameled. In my opinion, it is probably an upgraded thin variation 3rd class. Marc

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05-16-2003, 09:25 AM	#53
JensF. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 121	Thanks for your opinions Tal. Is there such a thin variation at the 3. class too? The medal has a thickness of only 1 mm.

05-16-2003, 04:29 PM	#54
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Gentlemen, Sometimes if it's just a dent and not a deep one there may be some gold left in it. A gold plated scratch is a sure sign that the medal was replated. In any case a combination of posible gold restoration and the unusual serial number makes me very suspicious about this piece. Alexei

05-17-2003, 04:29 PM	#55
JensF. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 121	After checking it again I can say that only the dents have gold plating left. There are not very much scratches and these are silver.

06-28-2003, 07:57 AM	#57
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Quite difficult to be categoric on such a scan... But, for sure, it is not a "broken" 1st class, are the 1st class is always made of solid gold (950/1000) ! It looks like if some acid, varnish or resin have been poured on it... BTW, where is the SN ? The ring of the suspension seems also curious.... Has the ribbon itself got some orange tan ? ;) Probably can you describe us better what is the "liquid" or matter put on it... Ch.

06-28-2003, 09:09 AM	#58
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	Looks like a normal 3rd class with some sort of liquid (varnish or stain, perhaps) spilled on it. --Dave

06-29-2003, 01:40 PM	#59
JensF. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 121	After a long time I got the McDaniel book! McDaniel states that there is a thin variation ONLY of the Order of Glory 2. class, so this one is original and not a gold plated 3.class. But who can tell me when it was awarded with the number 7943? Looks like someone tried to gold plate a 3. class and FAILED! :D

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