Prize Medals Of The Exhibition Of Achievements Of The National Economy. - Page 4

Taz · 09-15-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dat Nguyen

I just look at two other brass colored badges that I have and they also have the same 3 indentations on the bottom rim.

I do not know what the indentations are for.

Dat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Simon,

You are right, the base metal VDNKh medals have small indentations at the bottom on the reverse rim. As far as I can tell, these indicate the class of the medal, as the gilting tends to wear out very rapidly on these:
. Gold medal: 1 indentation
. Silver medal: 2 indentations
. Bronze medal: 3 indentations

Marc

I think Marc has the reason for the indentations for you Dat,

regards Eddie

Tal Inbar · 09-15-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dat Nguyen

Looks like someone put them there.

That "someone" is the mint.

BTW, the silver medal is self evident to be 2nd class because of its color. The problem is confusion between gold and bronze medals, hence the markings.

Dat Nguyen · 09-15-2006, 05:39 PM

Thanks for the info. I guess the previous owner of this got all three classes.

The bar itself is brass. The front of the bar has a black piece of plastic or black tape. Three holes were drilled for the posts to go through. A nut secured the badge and the post was cut off neatly flush with nut. Very neatly done.

Dat

Lapa · 09-16-2006, 02:49 AM

Dat,

Can you please post a large scan of the front and back of the Gold medal, the one with only one indentation at the bottom; or email them to me.

Marc

Dat Nguyen · 09-16-2006, 07:05 PM

Here they are.

Dat

Lapa · 09-17-2006, 06:08 AM

Dat,

Thanks! Can you please tell me if there is a mint made indentation at the bottom on the rim (similar to the 3 indentations on the bronze medal) or not.
Also, the ring at the top of the medal seems to be of a different type from those on the other two medals. Can you confirm or infirm.

Marc

Dat Nguyen · 09-17-2006, 06:43 AM

Hi Lapa,

I do not see any similar indentation on the bottom of the rim. The ring on top of the medal is similar to the other 2.

v/r
dat

Tal Inbar · 09-17-2006, 11:19 AM

Mark,

The only marks that I have seen are on the bronze BDHX medals. The gold medal - both kinds, of 10K gold and of brass - have NO marks.

Also, I have several silver medals (both of real silver and of "german silver" and NONE is marked with 2 lines, as implied by you in post number 129 of this thread.

I would love to see gold and silver medals with lines - If you have such variations.

Regards,

Tal

Lapa · 09-17-2006, 11:51 AM

Tal,

I have seen, and I believe that I have (somewhere...) silver medals with 2 lines (the german silver type). Indeed, the medal that accompanies the large diploma I posted (see post 106) has 2 indentations. I have not seen a 10K gold medal, but I take your word that they do exist; as to the brass gold ones, so far, I have only seen them with 3 indentations, and never came across a specimen without.
I would summurize that the versions without indentation were issued first. As it became apparent that there might be some confusion between the classes, the indentation system was devised.

Marc

plmurphy · 09-17-2006, 12:37 PM

Gentlemen,

I have examples of both the silver medal and the bronze medal with no indentations on the reverse so I can confirm that they do exist. I suspect that they are probably earlier than the examples with indentations, to avoid confusion as mentioned above.

Regards,

Paul

09-15-2006, 05:39 PM	#33
Dat Nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Antonio, Texas Age: 58 Posts: 216	Great stuff Thanks for the info. I guess the previous owner of this got all three classes. The bar itself is brass. The front of the bar has a black piece of plastic or black tape. Three holes were drilled for the posts to go through. A nut secured the badge and the post was cut off neatly flush with nut. Very neatly done. Dat

09-17-2006, 06:43 AM	#37
Dat Nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Antonio, Texas Age: 58 Posts: 216	Markings Hi Lapa, I do not see any similar indentation on the bottom of the rim. The ring on top of the medal is similar to the other 2. v/r dat

09-17-2006, 11:19 AM	#38
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Mark, The only marks that I have seen are on the bronze BDHX medals. The gold medal - both kinds, of 10K gold and of brass - have NO marks. Also, I have several silver medals (both of real silver and of "german silver" and NONE is marked with 2 lines, as implied by you in post number 129 of this thread. I would love to see gold and silver medals with lines - If you have such variations. Regards, Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

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09-16-2006, 02:49 AM	#34
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Dat, Can you please post a large scan of the front and back of the Gold medal, the one with only one indentation at the bottom; or email them to me. Marc

09-17-2006, 06:08 AM	#36
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Dat, Thanks! Can you please tell me if there is a mint made indentation at the bottom on the rim (similar to the 3 indentations on the bronze medal) or not. Also, the ring at the top of the medal seems to be of a different type from those on the other two medals. Can you confirm or infirm. Marc

09-17-2006, 11:51 AM	#39
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Tal, I have seen, and I believe that I have (somewhere...) silver medals with 2 lines (the german silver type). Indeed, the medal that accompanies the large diploma I posted (see post 106) has 2 indentations. I have not seen a 10K gold medal, but I take your word that they do exist; as to the brass gold ones, so far, I have only seen them with 3 indentations, and never came across a specimen without. I would summurize that the versions without indentation were issued first. As it became apparent that there might be some confusion between the classes, the indentation system was devised. Marc

09-17-2006, 12:37 PM	#40
plmurphy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Age: 54 Posts: 49	Gentlemen, I have examples of both the silver medal and the bronze medal with no indentations on the reverse so I can confirm that they do exist. I suspect that they are probably earlier than the examples with indentations, to avoid confusion as mentioned above. Regards, Paul

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