Shoulderboards. - Page 2

Simon · 10-11-2005, 03:50 PM

There is nothing unusual about soldier's boards for shirts. From the mid 1980's, Soviet conscripts were allowed to go on leave without wearing a tunic when temperature was above 26 degrees C. In this case, they wore boards on shirts following regulations, not by dembel whim.

Nack · 10-11-2005, 04:16 PM

I realize that when it was hot, it was more practical to wear a shirt with boards than a wool coat. These boards, however, are not run-of-the-mill shouderboards.

But if you look at the boards, they A) have metal "CA" letters, not the plastic ones, which I'm pretty sure were not regulation; and B) are warrant officer boards, yet have the "CA" on them--I don't think warrant officers had the "CA" on their boards, only 2 or 3 stars to distinguish b/t a praporschschik and senior praporschschik. See what I mean?

Simon · 10-11-2005, 04:39 PM

I know what you mean about cloth pattern on these boards. Shirt boards for privates and sergeants had same background as praporshchik's boards. Here is reference:

http://armor.kiev.ua/army/forma/rkka_55-94.shtml

As for metal letters, I think these are official issue also. I have my father's CA boards that he came home wearing in 1974. His boards have metal letters and he is not a kind of person who would be pulling dembel stunts.

Nack · 10-11-2005, 04:46 PM

I see the last picture on that link, and get what you mean. I can't read Russian though, I don't know what it says.

I know I have a small pile of plain, green, 6-sided, thin shoulder boards with yellow plastic "CA" on them, which I thought were the only kind of shoulderboards that regular enlisted men wore on shirts. I've actually never seen the waffle-pattern boards for enlisted before.

I also have a couple dembel tunics with shoulderboards that are warrant officer boards with metal "CA" attached to it, along with the usual jazzing-up stuff. I suppose that is where the basis came from.

Simon · 10-12-2005, 08:42 AM

The last picture is the one I was referring to. It shows shirt boards that were introduced in 1988. The site does not mention from what material letters on shirt boards were made of. However, it does say that when CA letters were added to boards in 1973, letters for parade boards were made of metal, while everyday boards had plastic letters.

Al-muell · 10-12-2005, 09:24 AM

Heck! This is right!
I haven't noticed it, but in 1974 regulations it says that for parade walking out uniform there should be metal letters...
However, all parade uniforms for sergeants and privates from 80's had plastic letters. I don't know what do 80 and 88 regulations say, but...
Anyway - I don't think that metal letters on shirt boards would be practical. And that VV shirt shown at the top IS from 198sth (will have to check that). I understand that VV wasn't the army, but they usually used paralell-looking stuff...

Al-muell · 10-12-2005, 02:21 PM

OK,
The Regular m74 metal letters are ONLY fur parade walking-out "Mundir" tunic for soldiers and NCO of the Soviet Army. They should be 32mm high and the distance between them and the edge of shoulderboard should be 15mm
For all the other uniform pieces - it just says they should have the letters "SA" 25mm high gold in colour.
Unless they have extended this to other pieces in 1988, shirt shoulderboards should still have plastic letters

Al-muell · 10-13-2005, 11:26 AM

In 1988 the letters were to be 25 mm high. And that's the height of plastic letters.
Conclusion: plastic letters are correct on post 88 shoulderboards for all uniform elements. They are also correct on boards for everything except parade tunic from 1974.

vikingraider1 · 10-13-2005, 06:34 PM

The only time I have seen metal shoulder board cyphers is on Dembell uniforms. Specific army shoulder board initials such as this were not displayed on any unform until after 1970. naval units were the only ones to wear these type of initials but these were just to denote the fleet they belonged to. All the post-1970 regulations I have come across have never stated that metal cyphers were allowed to be worn.

Al-muell · 10-13-2005, 11:49 PM

regulations from 1974 point 165, page 60,
chapter IV "Shoulderboards, collar tabs, sleeve patches":
"On shoulderboards for parade walking-out mundir tunic for sergeants and soldiers of of coscript service of the Soviet Army, 15mm from the shoulderboard's lower edge METAL letters "SA" 32mm high are placed (...)"

10-11-2005, 03:50 PM	#11
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 173	There is nothing unusual about soldier's boards for shirts. From the mid 1980's, Soviet conscripts were allowed to go on leave without wearing a tunic when temperature was above 26 degrees C. In this case, they wore boards on shirts following regulations, not by dembel whim. Last edited by Simon; 10-11-2005 at 03:57 PM.

10-13-2005, 11:26 AM	#18
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	And... The final answer In 1988 the letters were to be 25 mm high. And that's the height of plastic letters. Conclusion: plastic letters are correct on post 88 shoulderboards for all uniform elements. They are also correct on boards for everything except parade tunic from 1974.

10-13-2005, 06:34 PM	#19
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	The only time I have seen metal shoulder board cyphers is on Dembell uniforms. Specific army shoulder board initials such as this were not displayed on any unform until after 1970. naval units were the only ones to wear these type of initials but these were just to denote the fleet they belonged to. All the post-1970 regulations I have come across have never stated that metal cyphers were allowed to be worn. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

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10-11-2005, 04:16 PM	#12
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	I realize that when it was hot, it was more practical to wear a shirt with boards than a wool coat. These boards, however, are not run-of-the-mill shouderboards. But if you look at the boards, they A) have metal "CA" letters, not the plastic ones, which I'm pretty sure were not regulation; and B) are warrant officer boards, yet have the "CA" on them--I don't think warrant officers had the "CA" on their boards, only 2 or 3 stars to distinguish b/t a praporschschik and senior praporschschik. See what I mean?

10-11-2005, 04:39 PM	#13
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 173	I know what you mean about cloth pattern on these boards. Shirt boards for privates and sergeants had same background as praporshchik's boards. Here is reference: http://armor.kiev.ua/army/forma/rkka_55-94.shtml As for metal letters, I think these are official issue also. I have my father's CA boards that he came home wearing in 1974. His boards have metal letters and he is not a kind of person who would be pulling dembel stunts.

10-11-2005, 04:46 PM	#14
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	I see the last picture on that link, and get what you mean. I can't read Russian though, I don't know what it says. I know I have a small pile of plain, green, 6-sided, thin shoulder boards with yellow plastic "CA" on them, which I thought were the only kind of shoulderboards that regular enlisted men wore on shirts. I've actually never seen the waffle-pattern boards for enlisted before. I also have a couple dembel tunics with shoulderboards that are warrant officer boards with metal "CA" attached to it, along with the usual jazzing-up stuff. I suppose that is where the basis came from.

10-12-2005, 08:42 AM	#15
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 173	The last picture is the one I was referring to. It shows shirt boards that were introduced in 1988. The site does not mention from what material letters on shirt boards were made of. However, it does say that when CA letters were added to boards in 1973, letters for parade boards were made of metal, while everyday boards had plastic letters.

10-12-2005, 09:24 AM	#16
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Heck! This is right! I haven't noticed it, but in 1974 regulations it says that for parade walking out uniform there should be metal letters... However, all parade uniforms for sergeants and privates from 80's had plastic letters. I don't know what do 80 and 88 regulations say, but... Anyway - I don't think that metal letters on shirt boards would be practical. And that VV shirt shown at the top IS from 198sth (will have to check that). I understand that VV wasn't the army, but they usually used paralell-looking stuff...

10-12-2005, 02:21 PM	#17
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	OK, The Regular m74 metal letters are ONLY fur parade walking-out "Mundir" tunic for soldiers and NCO of the Soviet Army. They should be 32mm high and the distance between them and the edge of shoulderboard should be 15mm For all the other uniform pieces - it just says they should have the letters "SA" 25mm high gold in colour. Unless they have extended this to other pieces in 1988, shirt shoulderboards should still have plastic letters

10-13-2005, 11:49 PM	#20
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	regulations from 1974 point 165, page 60, chapter IV "Shoulderboards, collar tabs, sleeve patches": "On shoulderboards for parade walking-out mundir tunic for sergeants and soldiers of of coscript service of the Soviet Army, 15mm from the shoulderboard's lower edge METAL letters "SA" 32mm high are placed (...)"

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