Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia - Page 2

charlet · 10-29-2009, 05:59 PM

thanks for your input Doug; the chin cord should be specific compared to army ones?

DougD · 10-29-2009, 06:02 PM

Sebastien,

Thats a tough one..I have had in some nice Aeroflot visors, and the chin cords are usually darker in color...I just don't think the ones on the cap are original to it, but thats just a hunch...could be totally wrong. I really think it was unissued, and they needed cords and buttons and used ones from an army officer. Its still a very nice cap!

DougD

charlet · 10-29-2009, 06:24 PM

ok, I understand the difficulty. The colour doc is scarce, you only see really recent caps, or like in the famous "undertheredstar" website "bright" chin cords... and the excellent L.H. Tokar's book contains mainly B&W photos...

Tal Inbar · 03-01-2003, 11:01 AM

Those uniforms are Aeroflot's, according to the seller:

Tal Inbar · 03-01-2003, 06:48 PM

Visor

Tal Inbar · 05-03-2003, 05:48 PM

Another one for sale.

Tal Inbar · 09-29-2003, 12:03 PM

Aeroflot Ranks

slava1stclass · 08-20-2007, 08:06 AM

To all:

Recently sold on the well-known auction site for $250.00. I think we can all say we've seen better looking/designed caps.

Regards,

slava1stclass

DougD · 08-20-2007, 09:52 AM

Kutsenko's small book (Kokardi) on cap devices dates this cap badge as being introduced in 1932. It seems to go until about 1940 when there was a change in construction, though the end use date is just a guess. My guess is it was probably used from 1932 through the early 1940's.

Can you post the photo of the cap badge in wear?

It would be odd for such a cap still to be used in the 1950's, but it is possible that the pilot using it in the 1950's wanted to show he was an early Aeroflot vet and still used this older cap as he liked it better. The cap itself, as i stated above, is clearly 1930's so either the photo was mis-captioned or the pilot was using on old vet cap.

dd

RichieC · 08-20-2007, 06:02 PM

It is quite attractive; I'm with Doug on that.

1950s? I think not...

However, I can't seem to understand the pattern identity of the cap itself with it's unpiped crown and band. Also, the visor is (or seems to be) constructed of the same material as the cap's body, with a stiffener. It could very well be a "run-of-the-mill" civilian type of cap with insignia and a chinstrap simply applied. I'm sure that in those times such a practice was indeed the case in more than a few instances.

Then again, this early Civil Aviation stuff IS quite interesting, but little to no English language info seems to exist, and I have made little to no attempt to research it.

I'll ask around though, and if any clues surface, I'll be sure and post them ASAP.

Doug asked for photos, and this is the only one I have, pre-war. It is dated 1941.

A close up of a cockarde:

My scanner was warmed up and my copy of the cockarde book was handy. I have scanned the page that concerns the period that we are discussing.

It would be very interesting to learn more about the rarely discussed subject of Civil Aviation uniforms.

Doug, if you do not mind, when you post the new images, kindly include a few detailed shots of the attributes which you see fit to be worthy of close observation. They would help considerably for research's sake.

Thanks!:cheers

10-29-2009, 05:59 PM	#1
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	Re: Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia thanks for your input Doug; the chin cord should be specific compared to army ones? __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

10-29-2009, 06:02 PM	#2
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Re: Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia Sebastien, Thats a tough one..I have had in some nice Aeroflot visors, and the chin cords are usually darker in color...I just don't think the ones on the cap are original to it, but thats just a hunch...could be totally wrong. I really think it was unissued, and they needed cords and buttons and used ones from an army officer. Its still a very nice cap! DougD

10-29-2009, 06:24 PM	#3
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	Re: Aeroflot Uniforms and Insignia ok, I understand the difficulty. The colour doc is scarce, you only see really recent caps, or like in the famous "undertheredstar" website "bright" chin cords... and the excellent L.H. Tokar's book contains mainly B&W photos... __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

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08-20-2007, 09:52 AM	#9
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Kutsenko's small book (Kokardi) on cap devices dates this cap badge as being introduced in 1932. It seems to go until about 1940 when there was a change in construction, though the end use date is just a guess. My guess is it was probably used from 1932 through the early 1940's. Can you post the photo of the cap badge in wear? It would be odd for such a cap still to be used in the 1950's, but it is possible that the pilot using it in the 1950's wanted to show he was an early Aeroflot vet and still used this older cap as he liked it better. The cap itself, as i stated above, is clearly 1930's so either the photo was mis-captioned or the pilot was using on old vet cap. dd

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