For Service To The Motherland In The Armed Forces Of The USSR. - Page 5

Lapa · 05-06-2004, 05:45 PM

Alexei,

Could it be a case of clashed dies, as happens in numismatics?

Marc

Dolf · 12-16-2004, 11:55 AM

Guys,

This is the same Order I recently posted on the Fakes Alert section.
Anyway, I received it yesterday and as I don't think it's a fake I'm posting my own scans here.
This is that unknown Type (Type 3 ?) with four lines on the reverse of the bottom ray.
Apparently my scan of that detail is not as good as the previously posted pic, anyway here are a few scans.

Dolf

DutchBoy · 12-17-2004, 09:50 AM

Dolf,

Great to see pics of such a rare variation (only the second one, is that right?) Enjoy it!

:cool:

Dolf · 12-17-2004, 11:22 AM

Matt,

Pics posted at your request :)

What you mean by only the 2nd one?! This one and the other one from the Home page of the Forum?
I have not the slightest idea of how many there are but it never crossed my mind that only these two have been observed! I'm pretty sure there are many more out there!
I know at least of another member/Moderator of the Forum who have one of these, but I'm not sure if the pic on the Home page is of his own piece! If not it makes three of them already.

Anyone else would have one of these on it's collection, or would at least have observed other pieces of this Type ( 3 ? ) ?

Dolf

DutchBoy · 12-17-2004, 11:57 AM

So that's either 2 or 3 that we're aware of. I'm of course no expert on this variation, so there could be more of them known. I hope someone could chime in on it.

No doubt people having one might not know about it since it is a rather obscure variational detail...

Dolf · 12-17-2004, 12:48 PM

Matt,

Well, now that it has been mentioned I hope that those members who have a 3rd Class OSM will check the reverse of the bottom ray, looking for those four lines... Let's wait and see!

Dolf

Nota Bene · 11-05-2006, 12:08 PM

Guys,

Any ideas? :confused:

Alexei

Dave · 11-05-2006, 05:02 PM

Alexei-

I haven't a clue! I've owned a bunch but have NEVER seen anything like that!

Dave

***desantnik*** · 11-05-2006, 08:38 PM

Wierd - looks like it got in a bar fight with a mint punch tool and lost.

Nota Bene · 11-12-2006, 12:44 PM

A couple of experts have suggested that probably at some point there was a pin attached to it. The catch was where two holes used to be, and the pin's attachment hinge was on the other side. I guess this is the only possible explanation. What still puzzles me is that the screwpost has no evidence of ever been messed with.

Alexei

12-17-2004, 09:50 AM	#3
DutchBoy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 51 Posts: 153	Dolf, Great to see pics of such a rare variation (only the second one, is that right?) Enjoy it! :cool: __________________ Matthijs P.

12-17-2004, 11:57 AM	#5
DutchBoy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 51 Posts: 153	So that's either 2 or 3 that we're aware of. I'm of course no expert on this variation, so there could be more of them known. I hope someone could chime in on it. No doubt people having one might not know about it since it is a rather obscure variational detail... __________________ Matthijs P.

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05-06-2004, 05:45 PM	#1
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Alexei, Could it be a case of clashed dies, as happens in numismatics? Marc

12-17-2004, 11:22 AM	#4
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Matt, Pics posted at your request :) What you mean by only the 2nd one?! This one and the other one from the Home page of the Forum? I have not the slightest idea of how many there are but it never crossed my mind that only these two have been observed! I'm pretty sure there are many more out there! I know at least of another member/Moderator of the Forum who have one of these, but I'm not sure if the pic on the Home page is of his own piece! If not it makes three of them already. Anyone else would have one of these on it's collection, or would at least have observed other pieces of this Type ( 3 ? ) ? Dolf

12-17-2004, 12:48 PM	#6
Dolf Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Age: 68 Posts: 572	Matt, Well, now that it has been mentioned I hope that those members who have a 3rd Class OSM will check the reverse of the bottom ray, looking for those four lines... Let's wait and see! Dolf

11-05-2006, 05:02 PM	#8
Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Age: 49 Posts: 700	Alexei- I haven't a clue! I've owned a bunch but have NEVER seen anything like that! Dave

11-05-2006, 08:38 PM	#9
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,341	Wierd - looks like it got in a bar fight with a mint punch tool and lost.

11-12-2006, 12:44 PM	#10
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	A couple of experts have suggested that probably at some point there was a pin attached to it. The catch was where two holes used to be, and the pin's attachment hinge was on the other side. I guess this is the only possible explanation. What still puzzles me is that the screwpost has no evidence of ever been messed with. Alexei

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