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Old 10-25-2006, 01:49 AM   #21
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I made an Internet search about king Mihai and his Pobeda and found an interview with him in a Moldovan journal:
http://www.contrafort.md/2005/125-127/835.html

Reporter: [...] There were rumours that you have sold your victory order to the Rockefeller family.
King Mihai: [...] I never sold the order of Victory to anybody. It is intact and i keep it in my cabinet in Versoix.
Dragos,

Great link, unfortunately my moldavian is rather :thumbsdown :D
Anyway, sources seem to confirm each other, that's great!!!

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Old 10-25-2006, 02:10 AM   #22
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Um, sorry if we created a search for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster, but we didn't or don't have any secret information. When we wrote "private hands", we meant not locked up in a museum. We in no way were inferring the monarch "hocked" one of his baubles.

If anyone cares, I have seen the Victory at the Eisenhower museum and we actually handled Zhukov's at the Central Armed forces museum back in '98.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:43 PM   #23
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Michael 's order

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Um, sorry if we created a search for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster, but we didn't or don't have any secret information. When we wrote "private hands", we meant not locked up in a museum. We in no way were inferring the monarch "hocked" one of his baubles.

If anyone cares, I have seen the Victory at the Eisenhower museum and we actually handled Zhukov's at the Central Armed forces museum back in '98.
Hi Paul,

Thank you for taking the time to answer and give us clues.

Maybe my poor english made me misunderstood what you wrote in your book, but I did not understand "your" sentence "being in private hands" as "being still owned by the awardee"... hence my question.
I therefore understood it as being now in private hands... following an auction, a transaction, a sale...

So, as now you confirm you simply meant "still owned by Michael I" instead of being "locked up in a museum", my question has no more meaning. :D And what Michael I says confirm it.

But, interesting in all cases, as the rumour goes spreading and spanning : it now involves the Rockefeller family ;) ...

Thanks again Paul.

Cheers.

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Old 10-25-2006, 02:44 PM   #24
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(...) If anyone cares, I have seen the Victory at the Eisenhower museum and we actually handled Zhukov's at the Central Armed forces museum back in '98.
Great!!!

Do you have any idea whose Order of Victory is the one posted by Marc in post #2 ?

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Old 10-25-2006, 09:15 PM   #25
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No. I'm pretty sure it's not Eisenhower's. I don't believe it to be one of Zhukov's - his had an India ink museum cataloging number as you see in #2, but it was very neatly written. You have to remember, I saw these almost 10 years ago (dare I say before the widespread advent of digital cameras) and I didn't have enough chutzpah to ask to the museum staff to photograph one of their treasures. As guests unexpectedly being shown such unique, historical pieces, we were most grateful to the museum staff and didn't want to act as ugly foreigners.
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:01 AM   #26
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So, as now you confirm you simply meant "still owned by Michael I" instead of being "locked up in a museum", my question has no more meaning. :D And what Michael I says confirm it.
Christophe,

I don't presume answering in Paul's name, I just want to point out that you are giving only 1 choice that, most likely does not apply.
Personally, I interpret Paul's sentence as meaning "not held in/by a public institution or a museum". King Mihai is also a private person, as such, Paul's sentence means that either he, or some other private person, owns it.

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Old 10-26-2006, 01:09 PM   #27
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Here is what Mihai I said about his order, in the interview in the Moldovan journal, in case anybody is interested in the full quote:

Reporter: You were one of the five foreigners that received the "Order of Victory", the highest Soviet award. There were rumours that you have sold it to the Rockefeller family.
Mihai I: I have always considered the order as a formal recognition of Romania's efforts in the anti-German campaign, nothing more. I have received similar high awards from the other Allied powers. I only actually wore the order during official ceremonies that had a connection with the Soviet Union, according to the ceremonial of the Royal House. I never sold this order to anybody. It is intact and i keep it in my cabinet in Versoix.

Edit: the king celebrated his birthday two days ago, he is now 85 years old.

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Old 10-26-2006, 01:27 PM   #28
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Is there any Order of Victory in private hands ?

Well, We should take King Mihai I on his word unless evidence to the contrary arises.

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Old 11-04-2006, 02:24 AM   #29
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Bearers of the Order of Victory

Here is the complete list with dates :

Soviets :

* ZHUKOV, Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgi Konstantinovich. . Awarded twice, 10 April 1944 and 30 March 1945

* VASILEVSKY, Marshal of the Soviet Union Alexsander Michailovish. Awarded twice, 10 April 1944 and 19 April 1945

* STALIN, Joseph Vissarionovich. Awarded Twice, 29 July 1944 and 26 June 1945

* ROKOSSOVSKY, Marshal of the Soviet Union Konstantin Konstantinovich. 30 March 1945

* KONEV, Commander of Troops, 1st Ukrainian Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union Ivan Stepanovich. Awarded 30 March 1945

* TOLBUKHIN, Commander of Troops, 3rd Ukrainian Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union Fedor Ivanovich. Awarded 26 April 1945

* MALINOVSKY, Commander of Troops, 2nd Ukrainian Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union Rodion Yakovlevich. Awarded 26 April 1945

* GOVOROV, Marshal of the Soviet Union Leonid Aleksandrovich. Awarded 31 May 1945

* TIMOSHENKO, Marshal of the Soviet Union Semyen Konstantinovich. Awarded 4 June 1945

* ANTONOV, Commander of General Staff of the Red Army, General of Army Aleksey Innokentevich. Awarded 4 June 1945

* MERETSKOV, Commander of 1st Far Eastern Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union Kirill Afanasevich. Awarded 8 September 1945

* BREZHNEV, Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet and General Secretary of the Communist Party Leonid Iiyich. Awarded 20 February 1978. Revoked in 1989.

Foreigners :

* EISENHOWER, General of the U.S. Army Dwight D. Awarded 5 June 1945

* MONTGOMERY, Field Marshal Bernard Law. Awarded 5 June 1945

* MICHAEL I, King of Romania. Awarded 6 July 1945

* ROLA-ZYMIERSKI, Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army, General. Awarded 9 August 1945

* TITO, Commander of the Yugoslav People's Liberation Army, Marshal Josip Broz. Awarded 9 September 1945

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I am down in London for a wedding this weekend and went along to the Imperial War Museum primarily to see Field Marshall Mongomery's Order of Victory. I got a shot that shows the clasp in slightly more detail.

It would be great to actualy get a shot of the back of it, but I guess I will have to settle for this.

If anyone is ever in London I highly recomend the IWL.

Thanks

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