MVD Visor

Bone Collector · 06-16-2003, 04:06 PM

...or maybe not, you see I'm really new to all of this stuff.
I bought this hat for 100 SEKs (about 10 euros I'd say) in an antique shop in Stockholm where I buy most of my stuff. The shopkeeper told me it was supposed to be some KGB-hat but he wasn't sure. I's a little damaged.
I'm sure you guys can give me a better explanation and maybe tell me if I got it for a good price. ;)

vikingraider1 · 06-16-2003, 08:15 PM

What you have there is a M1969 MVD parade cap. The cap was worn with the M1969 parade uniform which was Tsar or Wave Green in colour. The badge, cord and peak are all correct. 10 Eiros is an ok price too. In case you were wondering the MVD were an internal security militia responsible for civil order. Their branch of arm colour was brick red, as is present on your cap. The KGB would have used cornflower blue.

otlichnik · 06-17-2003, 02:05 AM

What vikingraider says is true IF the hat band is truely brick red colour. However, I suspect it may actually be regular red and just look darker from the photo and scan. If this is true then it is a standard motor rifles (infantry) officer parade cap.

Shawn

Bone Collector · 06-17-2003, 07:21 AM

No it's brick red, he had a hat that looked almost the same but with a bright red hat band. Ok, thanks for the info.

Esteban_cool · 06-17-2003, 03:12 PM

That color is also called rust. If your cap is really from 1969, then the price is-for my not so good experience:( --"too good to be true". Can you show a picture of the inside lining?

Esteban

otlichnik · 06-19-2003, 03:09 AM

Estaban,

No one in the post said the hat was from 1969. Instead they said it was an M1969 hat. The M is for "model" and is used by collectors and analysts to refer to a generation of uniforms based on the year in which the regulations came into effect.

The M1969, or M69, regulations appeared in late 1969. The M1969 uniforms themsleves did not really make much appearance until 1970. While there were many small and several larger modifications to the uniform regulations (especially around 1975, 1980 and 1988), the M69 uniforms stayed in use until replaced by the Russian military with the M1993 uniforms (which took many years to actually come into use).

So you can call a uniform made in 1970, 1980 or 1988 an M69 uniform.

You raise an interesting point about dates. So far there does not seem to be any market price differentiation based on year of manufacture WITHIN a given uniform generation. Of course an M55 uniform is worth more than an M69 uniform, but a 1955 dated M55 is worth the same as a 1958 dated one and a 1970 dated M69 is worth the same as a 1988 dated one.

For the M69s this is a bit odd. Maybe the market will change one day. First, in my opinion one that was actually made in the Soviet era is worth more than an identical but post-Soviet one (Soviet M69 uniforms are still being made in Ukraine). Most modern "fake" M69s are not dated, but some are given fake dates. Maybe someday people will pay more for 1970s dated stuff than later stuff.

The other exception is WWII. M1943 uniforms were used from 1943 to dates raning from 1949 or even to 1969 depending on the uniform type. Unfortunately, most of the wartime and 1940s and 50s stuff is not date stamped, although some is. There is a huge difference in price between an M43 field gymnastiroka pull-over with late model pockets and fabric and 1960s dated buttons, vs. one that appears to be 1940s to early 50s manufacture and has blank-backed buttons vs one with a rare WII date stamp.

Shawn

Esteban_cool · 06-19-2003, 08:31 PM

Oh..:p well, I didn´t mean proprely the age of manufacture...I mean, because I was sold a cap that was said being made in the 60s for a certain price, and was from the 89...:o
I´m a....

06-16-2003, 08:15 PM	#2
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	What you have there is a M1969 MVD parade cap. The cap was worn with the M1969 parade uniform which was Tsar or Wave Green in colour. The badge, cord and peak are all correct. 10 Eiros is an ok price too. In case you were wondering the MVD were an internal security militia responsible for civil order. Their branch of arm colour was brick red, as is present on your cap. The KGB would have used cornflower blue. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

06-17-2003, 03:12 PM	#5
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	That color is also called rust. If your cap is really from 1969, then the price is-for my not so good experience:( --"too good to be true". Can you show a picture of the inside lining? Esteban __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

06-19-2003, 08:31 PM	#7
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Oh..:p well, I didn´t mean proprely the age of manufacture...I mean, because I was sold a cap that was said being made in the 60s for a certain price, and was from the 89...:o I´m a.... __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

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06-17-2003, 02:05 AM	#3
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	What vikingraider says is true IF the hat band is truely brick red colour. However, I suspect it may actually be regular red and just look darker from the photo and scan. If this is true then it is a standard motor rifles (infantry) officer parade cap. Shawn

06-17-2003, 07:21 AM	#4
Bone Collector Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 38 Posts: 30	No it's brick red, he had a hat that looked almost the same but with a bright red hat band. Ok, thanks for the info.

06-19-2003, 03:09 AM	#6
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Estaban, No one in the post said the hat was from 1969. Instead they said it was an M1969 hat. The M is for "model" and is used by collectors and analysts to refer to a generation of uniforms based on the year in which the regulations came into effect. The M1969, or M69, regulations appeared in late 1969. The M1969 uniforms themsleves did not really make much appearance until 1970. While there were many small and several larger modifications to the uniform regulations (especially around 1975, 1980 and 1988), the M69 uniforms stayed in use until replaced by the Russian military with the M1993 uniforms (which took many years to actually come into use). So you can call a uniform made in 1970, 1980 or 1988 an M69 uniform. You raise an interesting point about dates. So far there does not seem to be any market price differentiation based on year of manufacture WITHIN a given uniform generation. Of course an M55 uniform is worth more than an M69 uniform, but a 1955 dated M55 is worth the same as a 1958 dated one and a 1970 dated M69 is worth the same as a 1988 dated one. For the M69s this is a bit odd. Maybe the market will change one day. First, in my opinion one that was actually made in the Soviet era is worth more than an identical but post-Soviet one (Soviet M69 uniforms are still being made in Ukraine). Most modern "fake" M69s are not dated, but some are given fake dates. Maybe someday people will pay more for 1970s dated stuff than later stuff. The other exception is WWII. M1943 uniforms were used from 1943 to dates raning from 1949 or even to 1969 depending on the uniform type. Unfortunately, most of the wartime and 1940s and 50s stuff is not date stamped, although some is. There is a huge difference in price between an M43 field gymnastiroka pull-over with late model pockets and fabric and 1960s dated buttons, vs. one that appears to be 1940s to early 50s manufacture and has blank-backed buttons vs one with a rare WII date stamp. Shawn

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