Orden Lenina / Orden Stalina

kameli · 01-31-2005, 03:34 PM

Any information?

DougD · 01-31-2005, 04:30 PM

just looking around here from my domain in the cloth sector....i thought, according to Kutsenko, that the Order of Stalin was a screwback and not hanging order?

I remember years ago when i saw a big east coast dealer with an order of stalin #03 at a local show; not a fake, but one of the prototypes. Really impressive.

DougD

***Art*** · 01-31-2005, 05:01 PM

Doug, my guess is that the suspension was simply a design "test" during the prototype process. I wonder if the author is the same Durov of "Russian and Soviet Military Awards"?

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40

Eugene · 01-31-2005, 10:56 PM

Art,
It's the same Durov. Actually, the book was ready quite a while ago but due to problem with the publisher it took almost a year to deliver to the public.
Book on Red Banners is the next in line and ready to be published.

It wasn't just one prototype but rather few of them. Kutsenko didn't have access to as much information as Durov has today.
Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed.

***Art*** · 02-01-2005, 06:19 AM

Eugene, have you seen this book? what are your opinions on the information inside? I enjoyed Durov's other book..perhaps I'll buy this one and hope the photography is of the same caliber as his earlier book.

DutchBoy · 02-01-2005, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougD

just looking around here from my domain in the cloth sector....i thought, according to Kutsenko, that the Order of Stalin was a screwback and not hanging order?

I remember years ago when i saw a big east coast dealer with an order of stalin #03 at a local show; not a fake, but one of the prototypes. Really impressive.

DougD

I've seen pictures of this "order of Stalin". Exactly what was that order for?

Eugene · 02-01-2005, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

Eugene, have you seen this book? what are your opinions on the information inside? I enjoyed Durov's other book..perhaps I'll buy this one and hope the photography is of the same caliber as his earlier book.

I didn't get it yet. It's on the way but I believe it should be worth money it costs. There are a lot of new facts and information not published before

DougD · 02-01-2005, 06:37 PM

"Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed."

so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it.

DougD

***Art*** · 02-01-2005, 08:09 PM

Doug,

Take a look at this thread, it may answer part of your question. In a nutshell, they were apparently going to proceed with production after the prototype stage ( only a handful of prototypes were made ) only Stalin dies and with him, his cult of personality.

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9&

new world · 02-01-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougD

"Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed."

so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it.

DougD

Perhaps what he meant is that we'll never know which dealer had real prototype and which had a fake.

01-31-2005, 04:30 PM	#2
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	order of stalin just looking around here from my domain in the cloth sector....i thought, according to Kutsenko, that the Order of Stalin was a screwback and not hanging order? I remember years ago when i saw a big east coast dealer with an order of stalin #03 at a local show; not a fake, but one of the prototypes. Really impressive. DougD

01-31-2005, 05:01 PM	#3
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	Doug, my guess is that the suspension was simply a design "test" during the prototype process. I wonder if the author is the same Durov of "Russian and Soviet Military Awards"? http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40 __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

01-31-2005, 10:56 PM	#4
Eugene Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NY,NY Posts: 157	Art, It's the same Durov. Actually, the book was ready quite a while ago but due to problem with the publisher it took almost a year to deliver to the public. Book on Red Banners is the next in line and ready to be published. It wasn't just one prototype but rather few of them. Kutsenko didn't have access to as much information as Durov has today. Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed. Last edited by CtahhR; 02-20-2014 at 03:08 PM.

02-01-2005, 06:19 AM	#5
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	Eugene, have you seen this book? what are your opinions on the information inside? I enjoyed Durov's other book..perhaps I'll buy this one and hope the photography is of the same caliber as his earlier book. __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

02-01-2005, 06:37 PM	#8
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	order of stalin "Almost every major dealer had a "not a fake, but one of the prototypes" 5-6 years ago. They were very impressive indeed." so then it was a fake? if that is what you are claiming, why not be straight about it. DougD

02-01-2005, 08:09 PM	#9
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	Doug, Take a look at this thread, it may answer part of your question. In a nutshell, they were apparently going to proceed with production after the prototype stage ( only a handful of prototypes were made ) only Stalin dies and with him, his cult of personality. http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9& __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

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