Broken Group

Stepanovich · 03-04-2008, 07:09 PM

I am posting this in the hope that I can make someone's day.

I was recently reading David Schwind's excellent book "No Deed Forgotten" and I came across something that made me sit up and take notice.

On page 122 of his book, I read of the exploits of Nikolai Alexandrovich Bochko. He was recommended for the OGPWII. (If the description of his actions was accurate, he deserved more) He did not receive the OGPWII, but was downgraded to the ORS. The reason that I know this, is because I have all of his paperwork, but not his two orders!

Whoever has the ORS, had it researched and it eventually made it's way into David's book. They did not use the order booklet for the research, because I have had it for years, along with the payment coupon booklet, 9 medals awarded to Bochko, and their corresponding citations.

If anyone reading this, has the ORS along with his 1985 OGPWII, please contact me. In an effort to re-unite this group, I would be happy to purchase the orders, or as an option, I would be willing to sell everything I have at a reasonable price, all in order to put it all back together.

I find it amazing to discover the twists and turns these groups can take and hopefully find their way back together. The serial number of the Red Star in question is #1040523.

Steve Stepan

***desantnik*** · 03-04-2008, 07:44 PM

Have you entered the data in the serial number database 2.0 (blue, horizontal button at the top, center right of your screen)? This is your best bet of making a reunion.

Stepanovich · 03-04-2008, 08:12 PM

Hi Paul,
No, I haven't yet. I agreed with Art that I probably should do that eventually. But I'm hoping that someone might recognize the name and realize that they have the order in question, since they had it researched.

If others are like me, they have dozens of nice orders without booklets, not researched, since, apparently it can no longer be done without the booklet. This one was done in the day when an order alone without the booklet was enough and could be researched.

All the others in my possession, are anonymous and unfortunately, are likely to remain that way.

Steve

Kirchgoens · 03-04-2008, 09:52 PM

Maybe someone has his awards, but doesn't know it. Get those serial numbers (both those that you want, and those that you have) into SNDB. You may be able to join groups. If the data doesn't get entered by ALL members of the forum, then the whole concept begins to fail.

I religiously enter all the numbered military awards in my collection, and also any missing as "W" as I get research done or pick up orphaned documents. I hope the rest of you also do the same...

Stepanovich · 03-04-2008, 10:24 PM

Kirchgoens,

OK, I've entered the data.

I hope that once Dave returns from sea duty, he will actually have information available as to where he got the research for that page of his book and will pass my email on to that party.

Since this was more than just a blind shot in the meantime, I hope the owner of the researched order will come across this posting.
Steve

***desantnik*** · 03-05-2008, 06:58 AM

Kirchgoens and I are success stories, we actually did reunite a group.

Auke · 03-05-2008, 03:28 PM

Some researchers can by research by S/N only, the booklet isn't necessary. That way, theoretically it is possible to research even without the actual award OR the booklet - simply submit a randon S/N for research.

Stepanovich · 03-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Haven't met those researchers

EricFG · 03-05-2008, 05:52 PM

Steve, I assume you've tried contacting David (or his publisher) and had no luck?

Stepanovich · 03-05-2008, 10:56 PM

Eric,
Dave is apparently away at sea duty. He is the obvious source to determine the owner of the ORS. Someone had the research done from the serial number, as I mentioned above, since I have all the paperwork.

Dave was the first person I contacted before posting here. I asked him to pass along my email to the ower if he still had the contact information in his database.
Steve

03-04-2008, 09:52 PM	#4
Kirchgoens Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Mid Atlantic Age: 57 Posts: 351	Get it into SNDB...! Maybe someone has his awards, but doesn't know it. Get those serial numbers (both those that you want, and those that you have) into SNDB. You may be able to join groups. If the data doesn't get entered by ALL members of the forum, then the whole concept begins to fail. I religiously enter all the numbered military awards in my collection, and also any missing as "W" as I get research done or pick up orphaned documents. I hope the rest of you also do the same...

03-05-2008, 05:52 PM	#9
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Steve, I assume you've tried contacting David (or his publisher) and had no luck? __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

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03-04-2008, 07:09 PM	#1
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	Broken Group I am posting this in the hope that I can make someone's day. I was recently reading David Schwind's excellent book "No Deed Forgotten" and I came across something that made me sit up and take notice. On page 122 of his book, I read of the exploits of Nikolai Alexandrovich Bochko. He was recommended for the OGPWII. (If the description of his actions was accurate, he deserved more) He did not receive the OGPWII, but was downgraded to the ORS. The reason that I know this, is because I have all of his paperwork, but not his two orders! Whoever has the ORS, had it researched and it eventually made it's way into David's book. They did not use the order booklet for the research, because I have had it for years, along with the payment coupon booklet, 9 medals awarded to Bochko, and their corresponding citations. If anyone reading this, has the ORS along with his 1985 OGPWII, please contact me. In an effort to re-unite this group, I would be happy to purchase the orders, or as an option, I would be willing to sell everything I have at a reasonable price, all in order to put it all back together. I find it amazing to discover the twists and turns these groups can take and hopefully find their way back together. The serial number of the Red Star in question is #1040523. Steve Stepan

03-04-2008, 07:44 PM	#2
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,339	Have you entered the data in the serial number database 2.0 (blue, horizontal button at the top, center right of your screen)? This is your best bet of making a reunion.

03-04-2008, 08:12 PM	#3
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	Hi Paul, No, I haven't yet. I agreed with Art that I probably should do that eventually. But I'm hoping that someone might recognize the name and realize that they have the order in question, since they had it researched. If others are like me, they have dozens of nice orders without booklets, not researched, since, apparently it can no longer be done without the booklet. This one was done in the day when an order alone without the booklet was enough and could be researched. All the others in my possession, are anonymous and unfortunately, are likely to remain that way. Steve

03-04-2008, 10:24 PM	#5
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	Kirchgoens, OK, I've entered the data. I hope that once Dave returns from sea duty, he will actually have information available as to where he got the research for that page of his book and will pass my email on to that party. Since this was more than just a blind shot in the meantime, I hope the owner of the researched order will come across this posting. Steve

03-05-2008, 06:58 AM	#6
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,339	Kirchgoens and I are success stories, we actually did reunite a group.

03-05-2008, 03:28 PM	#7
Auke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 762	Some researchers can by research by S/N only, the booklet isn't necessary. That way, theoretically it is possible to research even without the actual award OR the booklet - simply submit a randon S/N for research.

03-05-2008, 03:56 PM	#8
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	Haven't met those researchers

03-05-2008, 10:56 PM	#10
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	Eric, Dave is apparently away at sea duty. He is the obvious source to determine the owner of the ORS. Someone had the research done from the serial number, as I mentioned above, since I have all the paperwork. Dave was the first person I contacted before posting here. I asked him to pass along my email to the ower if he still had the contact information in his database. Steve

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