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Market Garden · 04-07-2003, 09:45 AM

I find it hard to believe that a law was enacted in the USA to prevent people from claiming to be MOH holders, especially in this information age. It would seem that a keystroke and button click could prove anyone’s status as a MOH recipient instantly. However, it is interesting to note that the laws in the U.S. pertaining to the Medal of Honor doesn’t mention anything about trading it , so I guess there is a loop hole and it is still possible to obtain one.

John

new world · 05-05-2003, 09:36 PM

Here it is - prohibited for sale Congressional Medal of Honor

Major auction house in Europe will have Medal of Honor for sale on the upcoming May 17th auction.

It is a Medal of Honor awarded to a Pvt. Albert Sale, a member of F Company, 8th US Cavalry. It was awarded to Pvt. Sale in 1870 as a result of actions taken during the Indian Wars against the Chiracahuan Apaches.

new world · 05-05-2003, 09:38 PM

reverse MoH:

new world · 05-05-2003, 09:40 PM

Here's another one - someone from Canada put it for sale on eBay.

Note the different suspension - this one was for the Navy personnel:

new world · 05-05-2003, 09:42 PM

Reverse of naval MoH:

Christophe · 04-17-2003, 08:57 AM

Tal,

Did someone of the Forum gave you an answer to this interesting question ?
As a newcomer in the Forum (so much appreciated), may be I missed it...

BTW, I'm relaunching the subject... I hope !

Thanks.

Ch.

DougD · 04-17-2003, 09:19 AM

An interesting topic, state vs. individual property. I think with a medal you might be able to claim that it was a trade, or bought, from another individual inside the US. I doubt the Russian gov't can claim it as property if it was individual property in Russia, even if illegally taken out of the country.

However, I warn my clients who buy very high end cloth items that this rule does not always apply. If the Russian gov't can prove an item like a HSU or a named WWII Marshals uniform was in a state owned museum, and thus state property, they can go after it.

Also, some items, like WWII unit standards have never been individual property, always owned by the state. Thus they are defacto Russian gov't property. I have sold a few, and have a few, and always warn the buyers ( who know this anyway) that this is a fact. I doubt they will come after these items, but who knows.

Tricky....

DD

Christophe · 04-17-2003, 09:33 AM

And by asking any "official" certificate of "proof" of buying (Amex or Visa receipt ?) ?

Ch.

PS : I know that cash is the most welcome...

new world · 04-17-2003, 10:04 AM

I highly doubt that having a receipt will help someone if it's proven that award was stolen and FSB is going after you.

In many countries stolen property is confiscated from the buyer, even if he's not aware of the fact at the time of purchase.

Christophe · 04-17-2003, 11:57 AM

The only advantage in having a buying proof is to try to be leter reimbursed by the dealer (if he is one honest one... ). May be am I naive ?
In all cases, you can proof your own honesty to the customs...

Ch.

04-07-2003, 09:45 AM	#1
Market Garden New Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: The United Counties of Texas Posts: 7	MOH Law Loop Hole I find it hard to believe that a law was enacted in the USA to prevent people from claiming to be MOH holders, especially in this information age. It would seem that a keystroke and button click could prove anyone’s status as a MOH recipient instantly. However, it is interesting to note that the laws in the U.S. pertaining to the Medal of Honor doesn’t mention anything about trading it , so I guess there is a loop hole and it is still possible to obtain one. John __________________ "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize" - Homer Simpson

04-17-2003, 08:57 AM	#6
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Regulations Tal, Did someone of the Forum gave you an answer to this interesting question ? As a newcomer in the Forum (so much appreciated), may be I missed it... BTW, I'm relaunching the subject... I hope ! Thanks. Ch.

04-17-2003, 09:19 AM	#7
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Property An interesting topic, state vs. individual property. I think with a medal you might be able to claim that it was a trade, or bought, from another individual inside the US. I doubt the Russian gov't can claim it as property if it was individual property in Russia, even if illegally taken out of the country. However, I warn my clients who buy very high end cloth items that this rule does not always apply. If the Russian gov't can prove an item like a HSU or a named WWII Marshals uniform was in a state owned museum, and thus state property, they can go after it. Also, some items, like WWII unit standards have never been individual property, always owned by the state. Thus they are defacto Russian gov't property. I have sold a few, and have a few, and always warn the buyers ( who know this anyway) that this is a fact. I doubt they will come after these items, but who knows. Tricky.... DD

04-17-2003, 09:33 AM	#8
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	Certificate or proof ? And by asking any "official" certificate of "proof" of buying (Amex or Visa receipt ?) ? Ch. PS : I know that cash is the most welcome...

04-17-2003, 11:57 AM	#10
Christophe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paris - Berlin Age: 61 Posts: 1,208	To be honest or not to be... The only advantage in having a buying proof is to try to be leter reimbursed by the dealer (if he is one honest one... ). May be am I naive ? In all cases, you can proof your own honesty to the customs... Ch.

04-17-2003, 10:04 AM	#9
new world Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 1,086	I highly doubt that having a receipt will help someone if it's proven that award was stolen and FSB is going after you. In many countries stolen property is confiscated from the buyer, even if he's not aware of the fact at the time of purchase.

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