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Old 05-23-2004, 03:44 AM   #211
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Guys,

About Bursik's awards, I was wondering is it normall to wear a combination of the actual medals and "fruit salad" bars.

Eddie, great pictures!

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Alexei,
It seems unusual to wear both the Medals and the ribbons, it makes it all look a bit untidy in my opinion. Looking at the "fruit salad" they are by the looks of it just the Czech awards I can't make out the Soviet awards, Red Star, Suvorow, Lenin etc.

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I'll post some further pics when I find the time, It's a pity that the pics of Vajda are not that clear but at least we now know roughly what he looked like.

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It´s my idea when I saw the pic on top or that medal located at the far right of the last row(at the right of that medal that looks like a SAS badge) is the Victory over Germany?

Esteban
It could well be Esteban, although if that is the same medal ribbon at the bottom right of his Medal bar it is most likely a Czech award.
I've been looking around the web for pictures of Czech Orders and Medals and there is not a lot of info available on them at the moment.

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Old 05-23-2004, 04:14 AM   #212
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This book on the 1st Czech Tank Brigade is really excellent.
Although I can't read Czech it includes all the tanks, SPG's even down to the Motor-bikes used by this Brigade with the S/N's of these vehicles.
All or most of the complete tank crew names and what they did Driver, Gunner etc.
Because of this I was able to find out that in 1943 during the Zitomirsko- Berdicevska Operation Stepan Vajda was a member of Josef Bursik's crew on the T-34 called "ZISKA". I think at this time the T-34 was the T-34/76 version and not the later T-34/85 used in the Ostrava Battle.
Here is Bursik's crew, sorry I can't make head or tail of the jobs or ranks at the moment.

"ZISKA"

velitel (Commander) ppor( Junior Lt.) Josef Bursik

ridic (?) des.(?) Vasil Lenisinec

strelec-radista (?) des.(?) Stepan Vajda

nabijec (?) des.(?) Bedrich Babka

*Please note that the Czech language uses a lot of accents over their letters and I am unable to write them with my Keyboard.

Also there was a SU-85 SPG called KAPITAN OTAKAR JAROS after one of the other Czech HSU's.

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Old 05-23-2004, 08:07 PM   #213
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Yep; I said so due to the black stripes pattern, and since the ribbon bar at the last row at the right. I insist that the medal is the Victory over Germany one.
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Old 05-26-2004, 03:13 AM   #214
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velitel (Commander) ppor( Junior Lt.) Josef Bursik

ridic (?) des.(?) Vasil Lenisinec

strelec-radista (?) des.(?) Stepan Vajda

nabijec (?) des.(?) Bedrich Babka

*Please note that the Czech language uses a lot of accents over their letters and I am unable to write them with my Keyboard.

Also there was a SU-85 SPG called KAPITAN OTAKAR JAROS after one of the other Czech HSU's.

Eddie.
des. stands for desatnik - corporal or an equivalent of soviet młodshiy serzhant (strange, I thought he had a higher rank)

str'elec is "shooter" and radista is probably the guy responsible for radio-communication, but I am not sure about this one

How is this "ridic" written? note that those "birds" (v), which are more important than the standard accents (s' + sh, z' =zh etc.), are smetimes written as (') after the letter they are over.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:50 AM   #215
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Hi Al,
Thanks for the help, here are the words correctly spellt in Czech.

řidič

střelec-radista

nabíječ

Al,
He was Gunner (střelec-radista) on "ZISKA" in 1943.
Stepan Vajda was later promoted and had his own Command, at the time he was killed had the rank of Lt. In the picture with his coffin on the back of "ZISKA" the description of the photo refers to him as Capt.

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Guys,

střelec-radista is probably gunner and radio operator.

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Alexei thanks,
I was under the impression that on the T-34/76, which we are at the moment refering to, the Commander was also the gunner. And then that during the winter of 1943/4 when production of the T-34/85 began that it used the turret of the KV-85 tank which included an 85-mm main gun plus space for an additional crew member so as the commander did not also have to fire the gun. :confused:
Saying that Al also thinks that střelec-radista is the gunner, so who loaded the gun?
Also I'm fairly sure that not all Tanks were even equiped with Radios, at the most troop Commanders Tanks. If you notice very few T-34's have the antenne attached on the right of the hull front.
The T-34/76 had a very cramped two-man turret without a commander's cupola. Only the tank commander and the driver had internal communication.
Which would mean that the Commander was also Radio-operator and loader. The other two crew members were Driver and hull- MG.

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This nabíječ is probably the gun loader. I am not sure of this, as it is not in my #$#@ dictionary, so I can only guess based on a paralell to polish. :(

If so, řidič should be a driver?? Doesn't sound similar to anything...
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Thanks for the help, here are the words correctly spellt in Czech.
řidič
střelec-radista
nabíječ
Eddie
I just check with a dictionary (but without myself speaking czech...) :

řidič = driver
střelec = gunner, but I did not find anything for "střelec-radista". I think Alexei's hypothesis : "gunner and radio operator" is probably the right one.
nabíječ = "charger", what we can understand as "gun-loader".

Hope this helps.

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Eddie,

I have checked some of my books for the T-34 crews:

T-34-76: commander/loader; gun pointer; driver/mechanic; and gunner/radio operator.

T-34-85: commander; gun pointer; driver/mechanic; loader; and gunner/radio operator.

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Alexei thanks,
I was under the impression that on the T-34/76, which we are at the moment refering to, the Commander was also the gunner. And then that during the winter of 1943/4 when production of the T-34/85 began that it used the turret of the KV-85 tank which included an 85-mm main gun plus space for an additional crew member so as the commander did not also have to fire the gun. :confused:
Saying that Al also thinks that střelec-radista is the gunner, so who loaded the gun?
Also I'm fairly sure that not all Tanks were even equiped with Radios, at the most troop Commanders Tanks. If you notice very few T-34's have the antenne attached on the right of the hull front.
The T-34/76 had a very cramped two-man turret without a commander's cupola. Only the tank commander and the driver had internal communication.
Which would mean that the Commander was also Radio-operator and loader. The other two crew members were Driver and hull- MG.

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