Help needed to id these items

Ivan B · 01-08-2011, 09:19 AM

Would appreciate any help anyone can give in identifying these hats and greatcoat. We are totally new to this and just obtained these and really don't know what they are.

Other photos can be obtained if needed.

Ivan B · 01-08-2011, 09:21 AM

Another photo of the greatcoat in case it helps.

deValcourt · 01-08-2011, 10:58 AM

Welcome Ivan,

The hats are for army everyday/service and parade respectively. The great coat has the insignia of an MVD major. The MVD is very roughly equivalent to the FBI. It was/is a national police force and includes the fire brigades as well.

If you have any questions about the MVD, just send me a PM or email.

Phillip

DougD · 01-08-2011, 03:34 PM

Hello Ivan,

Welcome to the forum. The first cap is a service cap, circa 1980’s, for an MVD officer. The second cap is a parade cap for an officer in the armor or artillery service of the Soviet Army, also circa 1980’s. The overcoat is for a Major in the MVD...the first cap would go well with it for making a display of an MVD officer of the 1980’s.

Email / PM deValcourt for any info you might need on the MVD, he is an expert.

DougD

Esteban_cool · 01-08-2011, 04:32 PM

Doug, are you sure the overcoat is for an MVD major? To me looks like normal red rather than brick red. I have an MVD overcoat and the colors do look different in pictures.

DougD · 01-08-2011, 04:53 PM

Esteban,

You might be correct; the red looks dark to me, but I could be wrong and it might be the regular army red. I have always found it difficult to differentiate the two reds.

DougD

Esteban_cool · 01-08-2011, 05:58 PM

Here´s a picture of my overcoat´s shoulderboard to compare. The picture is taken in natural light, without flash.

deValcourt · 01-09-2011, 12:23 AM

Guys, you know I'm not the uniform expert, but the MVD shoulder boards are unique to my eye - a bluish-green color and an almost plastic appearance. They didn't even change them after 1991 and I saw them every day on the streets, in the Metro, walking their beats, etc. I am 99% certain that both Esteban's and Ivan's shoulder boards are from the same type of uniform. What is more likely is that the collar tabs were replaced on the coat (those didn't change right away either. Only in the last 10 years or so did they stop using the tabs and just the insignia). Given the somewhat blurry photos of the first set, I'd think that has more to do with any differences you see.:)

Phillip

Ivan B · 01-09-2011, 09:35 AM

Sorry the photos were not the best, they were taken in a bit of a hurry. Hopefully these taken today in daylight (no flash) will help. For what its worth, in my opinion the red is "brick red" and is certainly a different shade to that of the piping on the "parade" hat.

Ivan B · 01-09-2011, 09:39 AM

More photos.

01-08-2011, 10:58 AM	#3
deValcourt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cajun Country Age: 56 Posts: 1,565	Re: Help needed to id these items Welcome Ivan, The hats are for army everyday/service and parade respectively. The great coat has the insignia of an MVD major. The MVD is very roughly equivalent to the FBI. It was/is a national police force and includes the fire brigades as well. If you have any questions about the MVD, just send me a PM or email. Phillip __________________ Phillip

01-08-2011, 03:34 PM	#4
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	Re: Help needed to id these items Hello Ivan, Welcome to the forum. The first cap is a service cap, circa 1980’s, for an MVD officer. The second cap is a parade cap for an officer in the armor or artillery service of the Soviet Army, also circa 1980’s. The overcoat is for a Major in the MVD...the first cap would go well with it for making a display of an MVD officer of the 1980’s. Email / PM deValcourt for any info you might need on the MVD, he is an expert. DougD

01-08-2011, 04:32 PM	#5
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Re: Help needed to id these items Doug, are you sure the overcoat is for an MVD major? To me looks like normal red rather than brick red. I have an MVD overcoat and the colors do look different in pictures. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

01-08-2011, 04:53 PM	#6
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	Re: Help needed to id these items Esteban, You might be correct; the red looks dark to me, but I could be wrong and it might be the regular army red. I have always found it difficult to differentiate the two reds. DougD

01-09-2011, 12:23 AM	#8
deValcourt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cajun Country Age: 56 Posts: 1,565	Re: Help needed to id these items Guys, you know I'm not the uniform expert, but the MVD shoulder boards are unique to my eye - a bluish-green color and an almost plastic appearance. They didn't even change them after 1991 and I saw them every day on the streets, in the Metro, walking their beats, etc. I am 99% certain that both Esteban's and Ivan's shoulder boards are from the same type of uniform. What is more likely is that the collar tabs were replaced on the coat (those didn't change right away either. Only in the last 10 years or so did they stop using the tabs and just the insignia). Given the somewhat blurry photos of the first set, I'd think that has more to do with any differences you see.:) Phillip __________________ Phillip

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