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Old 03-06-2012, 11:07 AM   #1
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Voenkomat Medal Ring Variations.

Hey Marc, could you enlighten us how to determine approximate production year of a voenkomat medal based on its ring? I know you have good info :) I like to compare voenkomat medals to jubilee medals in order to guess approximate production year, but I don't know how reliable that is.
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:36 PM   #2
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

You've got the right idea, unless one could have access to the Mint archives :(

There is a clear evolution of the shape of the ring:
. flat with a funnel-like opening on both sides (this is the way it was struck, it is not a flat tab that was then pierced)
.. hard-angled internal hole
.. soft funnel-like hole
. rounded (two varieties):
.. thin ring
.. thick ring (several sub-varieties)
... regular circle, fully circular hole
... regular circle, noose-shaped hole
... indented circle at the base, circular hole
... indented circle at the base, ovoid hole

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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

First type: Flat ring

. Hard-angled funnel-like ring (left)
. Soft funnel-like ring (right)
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

Second type: Convex ring

There are two different varieties in term of thickness of the ring:
. Thin ring (sorry, no picture available at this time, but commonly seen on Long Service and Virgin Lands) [I'll post a picture as soon as I have a suitable one]
. Thick ring (right)
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

There are two sub-varieties of thick convex rings, each one having 2 variants:

First sub-variety: Regular round ring
. Round internal hole (left)
. Noose-shaped hole (right)
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

Second sub-variety: Indented round ring
. Round internal hole (left)
. Ovoid internal hole (right)
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

Awesome. Great start.

Just for more clarity, could you classify the rings in my pic?
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

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Just for more clarity, could you classify the rings in my pic?
1 ---> T1 V2
2 ---> T2 V2a
3 ---> T2 V1 (not a full noose, but not a full ring)
4 ---> T2 V1a
5 ---> T2 V2b
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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

Is it correct? And what could be approx production year?

Type 1 - flat rings
variation 1 - hard angled hole
variation 2 - soft angled hole

Type 2
variation 1 - thin ring
variation 2 thick ring
subvariation a - regular circle
subvariation b - noose shaped hole
subvariation c - indented, circular hole
subvariation d - indented, oval hole

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Re: How to know voenkomat medal production year

Is it due to this variation in rings that help create so many variations of Medals such as Victory Over Germany which have previously been overlooked by many?
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