Guards Badges

[desantnik]

I would imagine handed out more as low-level souvenirs to individuals. There was no "earning criteria."

[Pobeda45]

I also find this doc a little suspect as possibly not having Soviet origins. The "Ministerstvo Obornonyi" on the header and the "Voijskovaya Chast Pochta" stamp seem to be pretty strange for an official doc. Then the fact that the cover has the old slogan "Za Nashu Sovetskuyu Rodinu" and that there is no GOST or USSR Typography Info fine print anywhere are suspicious too. I would think the Poles made this doc themselves for one of the Warsaw pact exercises..
I could be wrong of course.

George

[Al-muell]

Originally Posted by Pobeda45

I would think the Poles made this doc themselves for one of the Warsaw pact exercises..
I could be wrong of course.

George

Such thing couldn't happen in the Warsaw Pact - It would be faking documents of not only the allied country, but also the "Big Brother".
This doc is either Official Soviet or a total fantasy.
Were there really State Standards (GOST) for official documents? Never noticed that, tough I don't have any at hand right now.
I, however have grown suspicious - Shouldn't "oborona" in "Ministerstwo oborony" be starting with a capital letter? Or maybe I am just applying rules of polish languade to russian.
Also word "wyuchka"... It's a rare, if not archaic word, and I haven't seen it anywhere else than in a dictionary. unexpected find in the official document from 80's.
On the other hand - I think that the whole award group after professional NCO Rogacki was lately for sale on polish auction site (sold in pieces, as usual:censored), so unless I have mistaken the name, the document is authentic.

[Lapa]

Al-Muell,

Originally Posted by Al-muell

...This doc is either Official Soviet or a total fantasy...

I know you are not conducting a poll here, but personally I vote for your first alternative :cool:

One more thing to add to the "against" column: the document signatory's title is written with Latin letters and his grade is in Polish !!! Please show me just one other Soviet award document in which the issuing authority uses a translation of his rank into the recipient's language :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Al-muell

...Were there really State Standards (GOST) for official documents?...

Yes on the very vast majority of documents, there is usually an indication of the printer and the year, sometimes the print run.

Marc

[Pobeda45]

Originally Posted by Al-muell

Also word "wyuchka"... It's a rare, if not archaic word, and I haven't seen it anywhere else than in a dictionary. unexpected find in the official document from 80's.

The word worries me less, as uncommon as it is. About the only context it's used in is "boevaya vyiuchka," for example:
http://www.rg.ru/2008/09/26/reg-privolzhe/bastion.html

Good points though, maybe it's official but created by some local military unit. I don't know why else they would use a postal stamp. :)

George

[Al-muell]

Originally Posted by Lapa

Al-Muell,



I know you are not conducting a poll here, but personally I vote for your first alternative :cool:

One more thing to add to the "against" column: the document signatory's title is written with Latin letters and his grade is in Polish !!! Please show me just one other Soviet award document in which the issuing authority uses a translation of his rank into the recipient's language :rolleyes:



Yes on the very vast majority of documents, there is usually an indication of the printer and the year, sometimes the print run.

Marc

I know that on most doc's You will find info no where, when and by who was the document printed, but do they really put GOST number there?

As for the translation:
I have a 1945 dated document to NCO of the USSR-formed Polish Army (health leave allowance). For obvious reasons it's in russian, but the rank of the NCO is written as "Plyut." being either the transscription of polish "plutonowy" or a translation of this rank to an archaic term: "plyutonyer".
Also few years ago on a well-known site collect***.com there was a stet of documents to Konev. Among them - a Polish Gratitude Letter to Soviet leaders. And in it the ranks of all of those to whom the Polses were greateful were written in Polish.
And after all - There's really not a big difference between polish "podpułkownik" and russian "podpolkovnik"

Originally Posted by Pobeda45

The word worries me less, as uncommon as it is. About the only context it's used in is "boevaya vyiuchka," for example:
Войска показали высокую боевую выучку на Нижегородском полигоне — Николай Нестеренко — "Нижегородский "Бастион"" — Российская Г�

OK, than I was wrong and this word possibly speaks for the authenticity of this doc.


btw. Was this doc sold? I would swear that there's polish "ł" in the signature, but cannot tell for sure from this picture. Anyway, the typewriter was polish, however in most of the bases of the North Army Group they had a typewriter with polish fonts.

[Komandir RKKA]

Got these wartime badges in amazing condition (never worn)
All are the same type but have two type screw plates: big by Moscow "Artel Photo" and small numbered(!) Monetni Dvor plates.

[deValcourt]

Amazing quality.:thumbsup If I had to guess, though, the numbered plates are from other awards IMHO. There were so many of these made that numbering them in any way would be pointless.

Phillip

[Komandir RKKA]

Numbered plates was put on by makers, I spent a lot of time to open them.
Probably issued for different badges but used for Guardia.

[meyerse]

This one is clearly post war, but any idea on era? I suspect the screw post is a replacement? It has a funny orange sheen to it, I think it is dirty in some way. It seems to be brass or a brass alloy, similar in heft to my wartime ones, but flatter with less curvature. Again, what era do you think?