Vladimirskij, Aleksej Viktorovich, Lieutenant-General, Head Of Operations, 3rd Army

***Art*** · 11-20-2004, 01:53 PM

Guys,

I am posting these pics for Alex.S, who is having some computer problems. One of the nicest groups I have ever seen! Unfortunately the original photo quality wasn't the best and the detail you see in the closeups is as good as it could get.

dannybou · 11-20-2004, 04:35 PM

Remember reading about this one before. Very nice group out of my price range. :cry:

***CtahhR*** · 01-28-2014, 12:52 AM

Is it just me or does something not add up here?

Where is Виктор Алексеевич Владимирский on "the site" or anywhere else on the net?

Al-muell · 01-28-2014, 03:02 AM

Something's wrong indeed. I mean - the group itself look probable. The fact that he had Grunwald Badge would suggest that he was in the Polish Army for some time, yet he is not listed anywhere (and must have been important if he got Grunwald Cross III). Also, it seems he was awarded 5 awards from other country (non-soviet, non-polish), but the only campaign medals he got were
Warsaw and Berlin. Strange.
Also on the photograph he seems to be wearing most of these awards, but in a totally different way. Also, why would he wear the Order of the British Empire (?) on an original, independent suspension and other foreign awards on the Soviet multi-award suspension?
The only reason that comes to my mind as to why he is not on podvig, nor anywhere on the internet is that he was with the State Security. But then again - his time in Polish uniformed services would also be related to the state security, and there would be a trace of him in the IPN inventory list.

Maybe the group is put togeather (from apparently original pieces), or maybe we are just missing something. IF it is not authentic, I wander who the guy on the photo is.

Eryk · 01-28-2014, 03:45 AM

Looks like it's this guy

Victor Alex... Alex Victor... who can keep them straight? :chuckle

Cutting and pasting Алексей Викторович Владимирский into PODVIG brings him up by the look of it.

***CtahhR*** · 01-28-2014, 11:21 AM

Now that's cleared up.

Here is the citation for Kutuzov 2nd #336.

His first Red Banner awarded for pre-GPW actions.

***CtahhR*** · 01-28-2014, 11:34 AM

Here is the citation for his Red Banner №2 #4169.

It would seem his second Red Banner (not a №3), №4 and Lenin were all long service awards.

***CtahhR*** · 01-28-2014, 11:38 AM

Here is the citation for Suvorov 2nd #839.

Auke · 01-28-2014, 03:48 PM

Simply amazing group, and one that would never ever be available for sale in the West nowadays.

PaulR · 01-31-2014, 06:36 PM

It is a definite center-piece set!

11-20-2004, 04:35 PM	#2
dannybou Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Québec, Canada Posts: 284	Remember reading about this one before. Very nice group out of my price range. :cry: __________________ A collector from Québec!!

01-28-2014, 03:45 AM	#5
Eryk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Portland, USA Posts: 234	Re: Viktor Alekseevich Vladimirsky Looks like it's this guy Victor Alex... Alex Victor... who can keep them straight? :chuckle Cutting and pasting Алексей Викторович Владимирский into PODVIG brings him up by the look of it. __________________ Steiner: "Why do you want it so badly? It's just a worthless piece of metal. Look." Last edited by Eryk; 01-28-2014 at 03:51 AM.

01-28-2014, 03:48 PM	#9
Auke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 762	Re: Lieutenant-General Aleksej Viktorovich Vladimirskij Simply amazing group, and one that would never ever be available for sale in the West nowadays.

01-31-2014, 06:36 PM	#10
PaulR Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Age: 52 Posts: 405	Re: Lieutenant-General Aleksej Viktorovich Vladimirskij It is a definite center-piece set!

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Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Re: Viktor Alekseevich Vladimirsky Something's wrong indeed. I mean - the group itself look probable. The fact that he had Grunwald Badge would suggest that he was in the Polish Army for some time, yet he is not listed anywhere (and must have been important if he got Grunwald Cross III). Also, it seems he was awarded 5 awards from other country (non-soviet, non-polish), but the only campaign medals he got were Warsaw and Berlin. Strange. Also on the photograph he seems to be wearing most of these awards, but in a totally different way. Also, why would he wear the Order of the British Empire (?) on an original, independent suspension and other foreign awards on the Soviet multi-award suspension? The only reason that comes to my mind as to why he is not on podvig, nor anywhere on the internet is that he was with the State Security. But then again - his time in Polish uniformed services would also be related to the state security, and there would be a trace of him in the IPN inventory list. Maybe the group is put togeather (from apparently original pieces), or maybe we are just missing something. IF it is not authentic, I wander who the guy on the photo is.

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